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[Masscore]

Originally Posted by KENO5366

I wonder how a clean Tyson shot compares to a Cro Cop kick to the head? Tank abott hits like a mac truck to, I dont think tank is on tyson's levels though.

A clean Tyson shot is probably a lot worse then Cro-Cop's kick. This guy nearly killed people with boxing gloves on. Imagine if he didnt have them on?

But to the topic, there are a lot of MMA fighters that have fought in pro boxing matches.

[Bran]

monson boxed before, he's 2-0-1 with both wins by ko. don't know if he was fighting anyone of a high caliber or not though. same with vitor and jens. to be a great boxer you have to focus entirely on boxing and if you're trained to fight one way, you kind of have to unlearn it to do boxing so thats why most MMA guys don't do it.

[kowarrior]

Originally Posted by Masscore

A clean Tyson shot is probably a lot worse then Cro-Cop's kick. This guy nearly killed people with boxing gloves on. Imagine if he didnt have them on?

But to the topic, there are a lot of MMA fighters that have fought in pro boxing matches.

Give me a motherf*cking break!!! Please!!!! You have no idea what the f*ck you're talking about! A clean Tyson shot is alot worse than a CroCop kick to the f*cking head??? Have you lost your mind??? F*cking Tyson was smashing guys like Holyfield, Williams, Ruddock, Green, Tucker, etc with some of the cleanest and hardest punches he could possibly muster. Alot of those guys did not even flinch, let alone go down! He gave them some lumps but he didn't take them out. Holyfield took crazy Tyson bombs to the head and body, the guy didn't even back off.
For some reason, I sure as hell can't fathom the possibility that Holyfield is gonna stand there with a big smile on his face after CroCop slams that left high kick to Holyfield's face, let alone doing it several times. Holyfield would get KTFO big time.
Do you honestly think that Tyson's 15" biceps are gonna generate more force and devastating power than CroCop's 35" thighs? Please!!!
The legs are much stronger and far more powerful than the arms. Try hitting a soccer ball with your hand and see how far it goes. Then try kicking a soccer ball and see how far it goes.
Tyson's punches are nothing compared to the devastating kicking power of K1 fighters. You have no idea.
Ain't no boxer gonna punch harder than a K1 fighter's kicks. It's not even remotely close.

[Greenish]

huh huh, a top boxers punch can definitly measure with top K1 fighters kick to the head. that soccer ball analogy only applies if your oppenent is floor - put that ball on a 5,5 foot pole and see how far you'll kick it.

Leg muscles are with out doubt stronger than arm muscles when it comes to lifting dead weight in gym, but for strikes to the head arms are just as good. And I don't even want to mention precision and ease of execution...

EDIT: reason you can't fathom that prime hollyfield couldn't be KTFO big time by a single kick to the head must be because you know very little of boxing. Hollyfield is legendary for his chiseled-out-of-granite head.I suggest you stay away from commenting on boxing untill you actually know something about it.

[kowarrior]

Originally Posted by Greenish

huh huh, a top boxers punch can definitly measure with top K1 fighters kick to the head. that soccer ball analogy only applies if your oppenent is floor - put that ball on a 5,5 foot pole and see how far you'll kick it.

Leg muscles are with out doubt stronger than arm muscles when it comes to lifting dead weight in gym, but for strikes to the head arms are just as good. And I don't even want to mention precision and ease of execution...

EDIT: reason you can't fathom that prime hollyfield couldn't be KTFO big time by a single kick to the head must be because you know very little of boxing. Hollyfield is legendary for his chiseled-out-of-granite head.I suggest you stay away from commenting on boxing untill you actually know something about it.

Sure, my boxing collection is significant from the 70s onward. 600 tapes, 19 years of watching from 87 onward. Holyfield's chin is legendary, no doubt about that, but I don't consider Tyson's punch as being near the power of a CroCop kick. Do you honestly think in your mind that the kick CroCop laid Igor out with would be absorbed by Holyfield like it was no big deal? Arms are not as devastating as kicks.
I'm not saying Tyson can't punch but he sure as hell can't deliver a punch more devastating than CroCop's left high kick. You wanna let Tyson deliver a body punch compared to CroCop launching a liver kick? Tyson couldn't even budge Tucker with the bodyshots he threw. CroCop would've shattered those ribs with 1 kick.
Maybe it's just not mean to be compared. Both strikes are damaging but one moreso than the other.
I never even rated Tyson's power as being better than the likes of Lennox Lewis or Razor Ruddock either. One punch power, I put Tyson down on the list, way behind guys like Foreman, Ruddock, Lewis, Tua, Klitschko, etc. I believe Danny Williams can throw a harder punch than Tyson too. It just so happens Tyson scored some nice KOs in his career, although people fail to mention the level of his competition, not to mention how many handpicked bums he was fed for most of his career.

[Afro]

it depends what you mean

can any MMA fighter be a good boxer? YES

Mark Hunt, Mirko Cro-cop

other then that.. nah I cant think of anyone else

Vitor, Pulver, Lytle were never good boxers they were at the bottom of the food chain.. they cant beat a good boxer I bet or even a C level boxer

The K-1 Kickboxing champs in MMA have a great shot at boxing because they did kickboxing which is similar, and they been doing kickboxing there whole lives.

The problem with MMA is you got a ton of chums in MMA IE: Tim Sylvia, Chris Leben then you got a bunch of guys who have admitted to only training for 2 years or so.. in Boxing that wont fly you would have to box for a while before your any good, work your way up through the olympics, etc.. it takes a lot of time and dedication not just 2 years. Why? because its not a mixed sport, so you have to MASTER your trait.

I see theres a Cro-cop vs Tyson thing goin on here.. IMO Tyson in his prime had such a good errr GREAT combination of speed and strength and Cro-cop is a very good counter puncher but you cant counter-punch a boxer.. Cro-cop has been KO'd enough times for me to believe that Tyson can knock him out but Cro-cops leg kicks would give him an advantage.. attacking the thighs, the ribs, etc.. Tyson or any boxer can block a leg kick to the face, its the shin kicks and such that they struggle against but once you go for a shin kick your leaving a lot of body wide open and a good boxer could pick you apart.

[kowarrior]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

it depends what you mean

can any MMA fighter be a good boxer? YES

Mark Hunt, Mirko Cro-cop

other then that.. nah I cant think of anyone else

Vitor, Pulver, Lytle were never good boxers they were at the bottom of the food chain.. they cant beat a good boxer I bet or even a C level boxer

The K-1 Kickboxing champs in MMA have a great shot at boxing because they did kickboxing which is similar, and they been doing kickboxing there whole lives.

The problem with MMA is you got a ton of chums in MMA IE: Tim Sylvia, Chris Leben then you got a bunch of guys who have admitted to only training for 2 years or so.. in Boxing that wont fly you would have to box for a while before your any good, work your way up through the olympics, etc.. it takes a lot of time and dedication not just 2 years. Why? because its not a mixed sport, so you have to MASTER your trait.

I see theres a Cro-cop vs Tyson thing goin on here.. IMO Tyson in his prime had such a good errr GREAT combination of speed and strength and Cro-cop is a very good counter puncher but you cant counter-punch a boxer.. Cro-cop has been KO'd enough times for me to believe that Tyson can knock him out but Cro-cops leg kicks would give him an advantage.. attacking the thighs, the ribs, etc.. Tyson or any boxer can block a leg kick to the face, its the shin kicks and such that they struggle against but once you go for a shin kick your leaving a lot of body wide open and a good boxer could pick you apart.

What the hell are you on about? Tyson couldn't block squat. Did you not see what Bojansky did to Mercer? 1 kick to the head and Mercer cried for mercy. When did Mercer ever quit in a boxing match, even at his ripe old age? The guy's taken bombs from Lennox, Wlad, Holyfield, Morrison, Cooper, etc. I mean damn these guys whacked the living f*ck out of him and he was still in there, coming forward like a bull.
1 kick in K1 and he cries! Just like Tyson would cry like a girl from 1 leg kick or head kick. Remember what Holyfield's headbutts did to Tyson? Tyson was crying about it. What's he gonna do when CroCop slams that kick to Tyson's liver or head? Tyson will fall like a little fruit. Tyson is a boxer, he has no idea how to compete with a guy who uses more than hands to kill a man, sure as hell not a man like CroCop.

[kowarrior]

One other thing, Since we have a bunch of Tyson-die hards on here, I'd just like to point out that Tyson jumped into the ring in K1 some years ago as you remember, and made the challenge to Bob Sapp for a fight. But Tyson was quick to say "I'll fight under Marquis of Queensbury Rules!"
And later on in interviews, Tyson said he would only do boxing matches if he was to compete in MMA in some form, adding "I don't feel like getting kicked in the head!"
I personally think, although he was a top notch boxer, he'd get his ass raped within seconds by the likes of Emelianenko Fedor and most other MMA fighters.
Tyson is way overrated. Can't believe people got suckered by this guy. The man never even beat great fighters, he fought in a crap era, and most of his career was filled with comebacks and handpicked bums. He fought in a crappy ass weak era too.
To beat Tyson's ass, Fedor would just take his sorry ass down and probably end it any way he feels like it. Fedor has about 500 different methods of ending a guy on the ground, especially a guy who can't box off his back.

[Afro]

I never felt Tyson was great, always felt he was good in his prime.. never beat a great boxer.. but still every boxer is taught how to guard there face it makes no difference if its a leg kick or a punch

[kowarrior]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

I never felt Tyson was great, always felt he was good in his prime.. never beat a great boxer.. but still every boxer is taught how to guard there face it makes no difference if its a leg kick or a punch

It makes a difference. Try watching some boxer vs K1 fighter matches. You have Vince Phillips do a K1 bout against a Japanese kickboxer, Vince got his legs absolutely smashed to pieces, the poor guy couldn't even step out of the ring, he had to lay down on his back and roll out cause his legs were destroyed from the leg kicks. K1 fighters would measure distance using their legs, as the boxer comes near, they'd smash their thighs and shins and probably take it to the body or head. You can't even see where CroCop's kicks are coming, be it the shin, thighs, waist, ribs, or head. Boxers would need to train in K1 to compete in K1.
And vice versa also applies. MMA fighters and K1 fighters would get their asses kicked in the boxing ring. Everybody has a chance in their element. You're not gonna have Federer beating Tiger Woods in golf, nor is Woods gonna beat Federer in tennis. It applies in combat too using that same theory.