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[sodium_nitrate]

Originally Posted by smoogy

Its a little more complicated than that. I'd argue by spanking Vera and Gonzaga, he at least earned the right to get the fights he already signed for.

agreed, but the lousy performance against arlovski and getting smoke by his last opponent leaves him up shit creek.

[atj-lucko]

Originally Posted by sodium_nitrate

agreed, but the lousy performance against arlovski and getting smoke by his last opponent leaves him up shit creek.

In Werdum's defense that was a lucky punch Santos landed. This was the first time Werdum has ever been finished.
Just like Minotoro's loss to Sokoudjou.

[jlruthven84]

Originally Posted by atj-lucko

In Werdum's defense that was a lucky punch Santos landed. This was the first time Werdum has ever been finished.
Just like Minotoro's loss to Sokoudjou.

A lucky punch? Are you kidding?

Dos Santos stated afterward that he and his camp had studied footage of Werdum, and noticed that he tended to duck his head during exchanges. Given that, the fact that he threw an uppercut is no coincidence.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

[atj-lucko]

Originally Posted by jlruthven84

A lucky punch? Are you kidding?

Dos Santos stated afterward that he and his camp had studied footage of Werdum, and noticed that he tended to duck his head during exchanges. Given that, the fact that he threw an uppercut is no coincidence.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

Knowing that Werdum ducks his head and executing that punch doesn't make it less lucky.
I am not saying he was doing a Wandy ,just throwing hay makers and see what lands.
He wanted to land that punch but actually landing that punch is hard to do, you have to time it just right.
So he was lucky Werdum dipped his head and he landed the punch.

9 times of of ten an mma fighter is not gonna land that punch.

[sodium_nitrate]

Originally Posted by atj-lucko

In Werdum's defense that was a lucky punch Santos landed. This was the first time Werdum has ever been finished.
Just like Minotoro's loss to Sokoudjou.

well, it doesn't look good on the negotiating table when your victories mirror both your defeats. you don't get extra cash for getting knocked out in the first round of your last fight. you put on strong fights throughout your contract, and then you get rewarded with a better one. the vera fight has an asterisk beside it because a lot of people thought it was stopped too soon. the arlovski fight was a poor showing from both fighters. the santos fight he lost. the only fight that he didn't get any flack for was the gonzaga fight. i wish him luck wherever he goes, but to claim that the ufc was lowballing him or offering him way less than he was worth doesn't hold water with me. (i heard that in a book)

Originally Posted by atj-lucko

Knowing that Werdum ducks his head and executing that punch doesn't make it less lucky.
I am not saying he was doing a Wandy ,just throwing hay makers and see what lands.
He wanted to land that punch but actually landing that punch is hard to do, you have to time it just right.
So he was lucky Werdum dipped his head and he landed the punch.

9 times of of ten an mma fighter is not gonna land that punch.

i don't know why you call it lucky. mma fighters land the punches they plan for; evans/liddell, couture/sylvia, werdum/santos, etc. i'm sure there are more.

[atj-lucko]

Originally Posted by sodium_nitrate

well, it doesn't look good on the negotiating table when your victories mirror both your defeats. you don't get extra cash for getting knocked out in the first round of your last fight. you put on strong fights throughout your contract, and then you get rewarded with a better one. the vera fight has an asterisk beside it because a lot of people thought it was stopped too soon. the arlovski fight was a poor showing from both fighters. the santos fight he lost. the only fight that he didn't get any flack for was the gonzaga fight. i wish him luck wherever he goes, but to claim that the ufc was lowballing him or offering him way less than he was worth doesn't hold water with me. (i heard that in a book)




i don't know why you call it lucky. mma fighters land the punches they plan for; evans/liddell, couture/sylvia, werdum/santos, etc. i'm sure there are more.

Weird thing is he was supposed to have signed a 4 fight contract after his victory over Vera. No guarantee contracts in the UFC..

[leedogg900]

[bobcat]

The performances weren't there to demand A hefty pay packet - 1 good win, 1 questionable win and 2 losses (1 to A new comer), not good enough at the end of the day and not championship material.

[Qball1974]

Originally Posted by CJRockstar

sorry for the double post, but I wanted to share a theory.

I think the dying Heavyweight division is a product of the age of MMA. See, back when the UFC first came around, nobody wanted to see small guys outside of anyone named Gracie. They wanted big heavy bruisers like Chuck Liddell, Ortiz, Frye, Severn, and Tank Abbott. They were the draw because they were guys in there tryin to knock the other guys head off. A lot of these familliar names are getting older and retireing or ending up on CAGE FIGHTING EXTREEEEME 36 in Bumscrew, New York.

MMA over time has slowly transitioned into a Jiujitsu practitioners dream. Case in point, Minotauro. This man will get pummelled like a thief then out of nowhere SUBMISSION!!!! It's getting to the point where the Heavyweights are nowhere near as entertaining as the lighter weights who get in the cage/ring and go crazy. GSP, BJ Penn, Faber, Yamamoto, Aoki, etc... and the speed and submissions just dazzle people more than a 265 lbs guy that gasses after 3 mins of a fight.

I guess the point I'm tryin to make is that the UFC's heavyweight division isn't SOOOOO fucked, its just the overall layout of heavyweights in the world is less than desireable. It's to the point that people have a hard time making a top 10 list. The moment I see Lesnar's name on that top 10 list I will laugh so hard my liver will explode. (somewhere Bas just got excited).

Heavyweights are so far out of the game that somebody that is muscular that is good at holding people on a mat can come in and basically prison rape you for a full fight, and you're the one that gets tired and battered. The emergence of guys like Shane Carwin will prove dividends for the UFC, but for now the one that owns Fedor is the one that owns the Heavyweights.

Done babbling, Peace.

Only a small % of the population are large enough to be a heavyweight which leaves even less with skill and desire to make it in MMA.

[snakerattle79]

It a Good Thing Werdum was out , the HW division in the UFC sucks anyway and no sense of winning fights there, atleast he can possibly fight and beat Fedor if he put a good showing in his next matches and fighting and beating a Legend like Fedor is more than Winning sucky HW championship in the UFC