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[zana1126]

If Randy wants to win this fight, he will have to take it standing. It doesn't matter if he can take Lesnar down because it will take lots of energy to keep him that way. Plus, we know that Brock is a great wrestler, but his striking remains an enigma to me (don't tell me that one punch against Herring says something!) Of course, this is more easily said than done.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by Shax

W I think Randy was the UFC poster boy for a lot of years and basically hand picked his opponents and the UFC allowed him to do so because he was the only likeable, marketable heavyweight in the division.

When exactly did this happen? He just came out of retirement, and went into the contract bullshit.

the last time he was the champ, he won the championship belt and guess what he did? bitched about his contract, refused to fight and they stripped him of the belt. Sound familiar?

The UFC didn't like Randy at all back then and it showed.

So when was he babied?

[Kimuras"R"Us]

I was talking about this fight over the weekend with some friends. What I kept saying was
"I can't see how Randy could win, but I can't picture him losing either"
Pretty much meaning I have no idea what the fuck is going to happen this fight. I could see father time catching up with Randy and him getting beat up by the mass of humanity that is Brock Lesnar. On the other hand I could see him just outclassing Brock like how Hopkins just kicked Pavlik's ass.

This is going to be awesome.

[the_dark_angel_4ever]

Originally Posted by zana1126

If Randy wants to win this fight, he will have to take it standing. It doesn't matter if he can take Lesnar down because it will take lots of energy to keep him that way. Plus, we know that Brock is a great wrestler, but his striking remains an enigma to me (don't tell me that one punch against Herring says something!) Of course, this is more easily said than done.

I think that one punch showed a lot more than people really think. Obviosuly we know he has power, but we assumed that anyways. What I was most impressed by was his technique on that one punch. Maybe that sounds silly but if you watch it a few times ( like I'm sure we all have) you'll see Brock is keeping his hands up in a very solid boxing style, he keeps his chin tucked, and he brought his hand right back to his face.

Knowing how hyped up and excited he probably was at the beginning of that fight when he landed that punch, his technique was quite crisp and clean. Better that I was expecting and I'm really looking forward to see if this was just a one time thing. Maybe I'm reading too much into it or maybe it's the results of some solid training.

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by Shax

We have yet to see Brock get hit, that's the only thing that has me questioning whether Brock will win this fight easily. I really don't care how -good- people think Randy is. I think Randy was the UFC poster boy for a lot of years and basically hand picked his opponents and the UFC allowed him to do so because he was the only likeable, marketable heavyweight in the division.

I want to see if Brock has a chin. We know he has power, but we don't know if he can really strike. We know he's got unmatched strength and is a top tier wrestler/ground and pounder but we don't know whether he can do those things vs another wrestler.

In the end, this fight does nothing for me because if Brock wins, people wont give him any kind of credit because they'll say he beat a guy who's old, slow, and hasn't had a fight in over a year. Time finally caught up to Couture. If Randy wins, the UFC will be all over this and Rogan and the rest of the Zuffa crew will really push the opportunity to have Fedor fight Couture. This is a lose lose situation for Brock, the only positive that will come from this is he gets the belt, but wont get the respect. I think the UFC wants to see Randy lose this fight, because then all the Fedor talk can go away. Fedor would devastate both Brock and Couture so the quicker the UFC can get people's mind off of Fedor the better.

Brock will lose when he faces a real striker. Period.

I don't see how you can say that this is a lose/lose situation for him. If he wins, he beat arguably one of the best fighters in UFC's history, he gets the belt, he gains more respect, he might get a chance to erase the loss to Mir, and he has a chance at being the only HW champ. How is that a lose situation? Sure people will say Randy was old, but he is still one of the best ever. Al the fighters have to get old at some point and someone is there to beat them. I don't think its a lose/lose situation.

I think that one punch showed a lot more than people really think. Obviosuly we know he has power, but we assumed that anyways. What I was most impressed by was his technique on that one punch. Maybe that sounds silly but if you watch it a few times ( like I'm sure we all have) you'll see Brock is keeping his hands up in a very solid boxing style, he keeps his chin tucked, and he brought his hand right back to his face.

Knowing how hyped up and excited he probably was at the beginning of that fight when he landed that punch, his technique was quite crisp and clean. Better that I was expecting and I'm really looking forward to see if this was just a one time thing. Maybe I'm reading too much into it or maybe it's the results of some solid training.

While I agree that the one punch looked good. It is hard for me to say the guy has good technique until I see him fight a standup fight with a good striker and then see if the technique stays or goes flying out the window.

I have not liked Lesnar in the past just because the way he was portraying himself at first and the way he was marketed by the UFC. But this was a good interview that shows he does have some respect. If he continues to have this kind of attitude then I will change my opinion on him.

As far as the fight goes, man I don't know. I am pulling for Randy just because I have lost money to him before and I swore that I would never bet against him again....he just always seems to pull it off. He has never been known for KO power and Lesnar has one huge melon of a head that looks solid as a rock and Im sure his neck muscles are there to support too. So I don't really see Randy KOn him. I say that Randy submits him or maybe a TKO in a flurry on the ground leading to ref stoppage. Other than that I don't know. If Randy does get a KO, then that is one hell of an accomplishment in itself. For Lesnar to win, he will have to catch Randy and KO him, or outscore him on the ground. Those are my scenarios.


I just can't wait to watch it!!!!!!

[the_dark_angel_4ever]

Originally Posted by TN94z

I don't see how you can say that this is a lose/lose situation for him. If he wins, he beat arguably one of the best fighters in UFC's history, he gets the belt, he gains more respect, he might get a chance to erase the loss to Mir, and he has a chance at being the only HW champ. How is that a lose situation? Sure people will say Randy was old, but he is still one of the best ever. Al the fighters have to get old at some point and someone is there to beat them. I don't think its a lose/lose situation.




While I agree that the one punch looked good. It is hard for me to say the guy has good technique until I see him fight a standup fight with a good striker and then see if the technique stays or goes flying out the window.

I have not liked Lesnar in the past just because the way he was portraying himself at first and the way he was marketed by the UFC. But this was a good interview that shows he does have some respect. If he continues to have this kind of attitude then I will change my opinion on him.

As far as the fight goes, man I don't know. I am pulling for Randy just because I have lost money to him before and I swore that I would never bet against him again....he just always seems to pull it off. He has never been known for KO power and Lesnar has one huge melon of a head that looks solid as a rock and Im sure his neck muscles are there to support too. So I don't really see Randy KOn him. I say that Randy submits him or maybe a TKO in a flurry on the ground leading to ref stoppage. Other than that I don't know. If Randy does get a KO, then that is one hell of an accomplishment in itself. For Lesnar to win, he will have to catch Randy and KO him, or outscore him on the ground. Those are my scenarios.


I just can't wait to watch it!!!!!!

That's why I'm excited to see it. It's easy to show good technique when you're not defending punches and throwing combos. It's a good start but I think we'll know a lot more Saturday night.

[travtera]

My money is on Randy. Since day one. I just think he's got way more tools to win the fight. Plus I don't think Randy would have taken the fight if he didn't already have the game plan to defeat him. The only factor that will stop Randy is if his age has caught up to him.

Of course, I could be completely wrong and perhaps Lesnar is the second coming that he's being billed as. He looked good against Herring but other than the big punch and solid positioning he really didn't do much and had no finish. There's just too many question marks for me to pick Brock. Not only if he can take a punch but how's he going to handle being repeatedly punched in the face. In the clinch, a long the fence or if Randy can get on top, he will make Brock PAY. And the question of cardio. Randy's been in these wars, he knows what it takes to make it through 5 rounds.

I see this fight playing out just like Couture/Gonzaga. Couture's going to impose his will and brake Lesnar.

Regardless, I'm looking for Saturday Night.

[Repenter]

i want to see brock go for the gore again

[ProMMAction]

im pretty sure brock can take a sledgehammer to the face and shake it off.

if any of you saw the botched shooting star press from WWE/Wrestlemania......

dude landed on his head from about 15 feet in the air while he was rotating so that gotta add a little extra velocity.

of course that wasnt a punch from a trained MMA fighter but, damn that dude cant take some trauma. he should have been instantly paralized.


check it out on youtube.

and no im not a huge WWE fan but i give him the benefit of the doubt that unless he puts his hand behind his back and sticks his chin out, Couture wont be KO'ing him anytime soon.

[ProMMAction]

also i think if randy starts swinging on Brock i dont think he is smart enought to defend and will just trade blows which will most likely end with lesnar on the ground getting subbed.