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[fishy]

I don't exactly know what randy is going to but I'm sure he'll think of something...Brock only has three mma fights and you people think he has no holes in his game... His stand up does not compare to randy's although he's more powerful, his ground game doesn't compare to randy's and even interms of wrestling there isn't a huge difference cuz randy is a decorated Greco-roman wrestler (which is more dominant than other styles of wrestling)

So my point is that there is a lot randy can do to win this fight especially if he gets past the third round cuz Brock's size is gonna work against him, he's gonna gas for sure in the later rounds with all those big muscles

And there isn't much Brock can do to beat randy except to catch him with a powerful punch like he did with heath herring, and randy is no herring so most likely won't happen

[Lindypmp]

I'm sure this point has been brought up, over & over again, but Randy's first title bout was his fourth fight against Maurice Smith.

As far as Lesnar's conditioning, as dumb as it may sound, the WWE schedule isn't exactly laying around. As a main-eventer, he would have been going 25 minutes a night, 4-5 times a week. Granted, there are more chances to rest, but there are some very striking similarities.

[Repenter]

i sided with herring, based on experience. how did that turn out?

honestly, i'm going with brock on this one. anyone who says brock is a no-skill fighter is just bitter about his success so far. are there more skilled fighters? sure, but in a wrestler's eyes, his control of herring was flawless.

(this is a tangent of how i think wrestling skill is underrated in mma, due to how wrestling doesn't necessarily translate to finishing power like jits or striking do)

and yes, randy is a fantastic wrestler, but anyone who thinks he's just going to outposition and outpoint brock for five rounds has their hopes up pretty high.

[fishy]

I don't think you can compare wwe conditioning to ufc...it's a more intense competition in the cage

[johnny]

i think randy is going to stand and trade with him and throw in some dirty boxing, and then take him down and just keep him off guard, similar to what he did with tim, who didnt know what randy was going to do next.
i am not comparing tim and brock, just the gameplan, and i am not saying it is going to work, but i hope it does, nothing against brock, i just think it is too soon for him to have the title yet.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Remember the very first time Randy fought Vitor, the whole idea was that Vitor would attack with his furious attack, but Randy basically stayed his distance, boxed him and did the dirty boxing thing in the clinch. Not comparing Vitor and Brock too much, but they both have that "phenom" type physicality, brock moreso and both's mental toughness has come into question.

I kinda see this brock fight as a hybrid between the 1st vitor fight and the barnett fight, but I can't really shake the feeling that brock is just going to bullrush randy and smash him into a pulp.

I hope Randy will break him down with some genius gameplan and i think that involves a boxing and standup battle. Fingers crossed Randy wins.

[fishy]

Originally Posted by astepawayfromx

I hear everyone talking about Brock's cardio, and I wonder where this comes from, yes, he's huge, but after the herring fight he looked like he was still ready to go. I mean, he wasn't even really winded. I know five rounds is far more than two, but at the same time it's not like cardio's ever been an issue for him (granted his first two fights didn't last out of the first round)

His cardio was good against Herring because Herring didn't do anything to fight back...Brock was dominating him and didn't really get worn out

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Lindypmp

I'm sure this point has been brought up, over & over again, but Randy's first title bout was his fourth fight against Maurice Smith.

As far as Lesnar's conditioning, as dumb as it may sound, the WWE schedule isn't exactly laying around. As a main-eventer, he would have been going 25 minutes a night, 4-5 times a week. Granted, there are more chances to rest, but there are some very striking similarities.

You're right, it sounds dumb. Please don't ever compare the two...one is entertainment, the other is a sport.

Originally Posted by Repenter

i sided with herring, based on experience. how did that turn out?

honestly, i'm going with brock on this one. anyone who says brock is a no-skill fighter is just bitter about his success so far. are there more skilled fighters? sure, but in a wrestler's eyes, his control of herring was flawless.

I'm one of the people who don't feel lesnar is skilled, but I don't think I'm bitter regarding his success, he's only had one legitimate win...I'm not sure how that equates to success.

If I'm bitter at all, it's that the UFC has shunted aside any pretense of having the best fight the best in hopes of cashing in on a quick payday. I could really care less if lesnar holds the belt or not, the HW division is the weakest division in the UFC right now, and I honestly think this is a joke match. So, yes, I'm bitter, but it doesn't have a lot to directly with brock.

As far as his skill, I think the herring fight was a graphic illustration of just how much he needs to learn before he's a complete fighter. He doesn't have skill, he's got a lot of physicality. He's a bigger, stronger fighter than just about anyone in the division, and that's what he relies on.

I say he's unskilled because he showed a wrestler's tendency to forgo giving up base and sinking hooks when he had Herring dominated several times, when he could have ended the fight in the first round if he had any real skill beyond wrestling. I'm not knocking on wrestling as a discipline, it's one of the foundations of the industry...but having mastery of one discipline doesn't make you skilled or well-rounded, even when you win.

Brock is probably an odds-on favorite to win the fight, he's bigger, stronger and faster than Randy, who is battling over a year of ring-rust in addition to age...but I can't see how anyone can think lesnar is even remotely well-rounded or skilled beyond wrestling. People talk about his xxl hands and his dominant gnp and his striking-that-made-Herring-do-a-backflip...but he hasn't effectively finished a real fight with that. He dropped Mir [who doesn't have good standup] but didn't really do any real damage to him on the ground, despite several shots to the back of the head. He dropped Herring [who is much better standing than Mir] and closed his eye in the first 10 seconds of the fight. But he failed to finish a half-blind fighter that he had dominated for 15 minutes.

So yes, he'll probably win, but he's years away from being skilled or well rounded. If anything, his size and athleticism have probably been a barrier to him developing any finesse game...he's always had them to rely on and he hasn't been forced to hone his skillset.

rh

[TN94z]

Yeah Brock controlled herring and he beat Herring the whole time....but that was with a non-top 10 HW that could only see out of one eye from 30 seconds after the fight started. So basically Herring held his own with one eye. Randy is going to be a little better than that.

[Bones McGee]

He's never fought a blond, arrogant juicer?