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Old 06-16-2006, 12:57 PM   #41 (permalink)
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i agree he is on juice for sure. thats why team roids gases so easy, cause when your roiding you dont do as much cardio
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Old 06-16-2006, 12:58 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Exactly, most fighters have some sort of issues. Thats why they are fighters. (Not all of them but most and I bet Baroni is in that group)

Nole, the reason that the roids fucked with your emotions is honestly becaue you thought that they were supposed to. People have been told about roid rage for so long that the MILD increase in aggressiveness has been turned into this big raging barbarian kind of thing. So when people take the steroids they think they are more aggressive and thereby become more aggressive.

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In an article written by Jose Antonio PhD, he cites a study published in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism (for those of you who don't know your Endocrine system is what produces hormones). This study investigated changes in mood and behavior in response to elevetions in circulating testosterone concentrations produced by a new long-lasting anabolic steroid (testosterone undecanoate).

28 men with normal nads (eugonadal) were randomized into two treatment groups. One gave the steroid up-front, followed by a washout period, followed by placebo, the second given placebo, followed by washout, followed by the steroid.

Mood was measured, self and partner-reported physical or verbal aggression, anger, hostility, irritiability, assertiveness, self-esteem, and sexual function. The injections of the steroid having increased plasma testosterone concentrations 81% by week one, and 53% by week 2 of the study.

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TU treatment did not increase aggressive behavior or induce any changes in non-aggressive or sexual behavior.
Another study had male subjects receiving 200mg of testosterone ethanthate weekly by injection for 8 weeks. The control group receiving placebo injections once weekly for 4 weeks, then the TE injections for the final four weeks. Plasma testosterone levels increased 80% with testosterone administration. Guess what the scientists found?

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There was no evidence to suggest an alteration in any of the mood states studied, in particular those associated with increased aggression. We conclude that supra-physiological levels of testosterone maintained for up to two months can promote some aspects of sexual arousability without stimulating sexual activity in eugonadal men with stable heterosexual relationships. Raising testosterone levels does not increase self-reported ratings of aggressive feelings.
So the bottom-line? "Roid rage" is all but a myth, with no scientific evidence to back it up. The most it can be chalked up to is biochemical individuality...meaning that your body might not respond the same as someone else's. But the same is true for why creatine might make you sick and for 95% of the population it just doesn't. Or how it might negatively affect one person's kidneys, but there's no scientific evidence to say that across-the-board, it damages kidneys.

Don't believe me? Read the studies for yourself:

(O'Connor, D.B., J. Archer and F.C Wu. J Clin Endocrinol Metab, 2004. 86(6): p.2837-45.)
(O'Donnell A. B. et al. K Clin Endocrinol Metab, 2006. 91(2): p. 425-31.)
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well i cant get that tech. but i was just saying what i felt was going on.
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well i cant get that tech. but i was just saying what i felt was going on.
Don't take it as an attack or anything, we've been told for so long that if you take them that you will have emotional problems that when you do they appear even though they shouldn't.

I just figured since I made a claim that goes against what everyones been told for so long, I should actually back it with the study that I am referencing.
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no prob. i just didnt know all that. But the roid thing with coleman is opinion and we already know baroni has been caught roiding in the UFC
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good article clint but what i have also read is that the steroids increase the psycological traits that someone already has so say if someone like coleman is already predisposed to angry outbursts then taking steroids will increase this trait. the study you chose carfuly selected their participents and so it didnt truly have a random selection they chose people who were in their eyes totally normal and thus had the least chance of displaying the trait of roid rage.

what the study shows is that steroids are not going to turn you from a calm laid back person into a raging psycho. it can however increase the tendency in someone who already displays angry trait to have more freaquent and increased outbursts.
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Yeah thats kinda what I got from it, if you are already an ass the increased confidence (plus the placebo effect) will make you more of an ass.
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yo Cruz ask Coleman if i should shoot in or clinch in my fight to get the takedown
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Why doesn't anyone ever mention the fact that Baroni was on FX's Toughman compition?They even made the point that he was an up and comming UFC fighter.He was such an ass then.Saying he was going to destroy everyone and then lost to a little fucker.He was so pissed and it was so funny.lol I think he did come back the next season and won but I am not a 100% sure about that.
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Dammit, I need to see this. Does anyone have a vid of this anywhere?
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