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[Punk Ass]

In boxing, if a fighter doesn't at least have a 20 and 0 record, they are not even recognized by the casual Boxing fan. In MMA I can't count on 2 hands how many 10 and 5 (more or less) record fighters there are. Some people say you can't judge these fighters by records because they are good fighters but IMO just because you are skilled in a few different disaplines and are very well rounded and finished a few fights in different ways doesn't mean you are very good at at. I could name a couple of fighters but I'll pass. Im sure ya'll can name a few as well. Anywayz, I think a fighter should at least have a 10 and 0 record or has beaten a top 10 known fighter before there signed in the UFC. If UFC does this I think there will be more dominant fighters such as Fedor and less win today lose tomorrow semi cans that the UFC seem to breed.

Any Opinions?

[booska21]

I don't agree with this at all. If that was the case why would'nt a fighter just fight bad compitition to get his record up. Look at some good fighters in mma like BJ Penn, Randy Couture, and someone like Jeremy Horn none of those guys have great records, and I'll bet they are better then 99% of the 10-0 fighters out there.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by booska21

I don't agree with this at all. If that was the case why would'nt a fighter just fight bad compitition to get his record up. Look at some good fighters in mma like BJ Penn, Randy Couture, and someone like Jeremy Horn none of those guys have great records, and I'll bet they are better then 99% of the 10-0 fighters out there.

Accually, Fighter's should fight less experienced or "cans" at first so they can get better. How do they know what bad compitition is until they gage their skills?

They would be fighting fighters with as much experience as them or fighters with bad records but with much more experience. This is how they would get better. I dont think throwing a fighter to the lions so early does anything for their career besides showing their heart and exposing their weaknesses.

I think getting all these screwed up record fighters that may or may not be that good is giving new MMA fans a bad idea of what a good fighter is. How do you think top 10 Boxers become so good? Because they fight less experienced fighters at first, work on their weaknesses, and by the time they have about 20 wins, their in title contention.

BTW, Jeremy Horn is not that good and he never seems to step up against a really good fighter. He is the perfect example but the only thing is, he will never get any better because his best dayz are behind him. Couture can't compete with the best either. He's good but not great, that's why he came down from HW so he could be more compitition. BJ is very good but he should of stayed at LW and he would of took advantage of his strength and stamina, but I tip my hat to his courage and he is the exception.

[Clint]

Fighters should be signed like that but the problem is that the sport is too young and there aren't enough guys that meet those credentials to go around. So right now anyone that shows good potential is brought up. Once the sport grows the fighters in upper organizations will improve as well.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Clint

Fighters should be signed like that but the problem is that the sport is too young and there aren't enough guys that meet those credentials to go around. So right now anyone that shows good potential is brought up. Once the sport grows the fighters in upper organizations will improve as well.

Good point.

[ArMnHC]

UFC brings in a lot of these guys with great records in, and then guess what...they suffer their first loss!

look at Chris Price, the guy was 8-0 and Kendall Grove schooled his ass! same with Thales Leites...got beat!

my poitn is, no, someone should not be signed based on their record, but based on the talent they've fought and beaten.

[LethalStriker]

It should be a combination of having a good record and beating good competition to get you into UFC.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by LethalStriker

It should be a combination of having a good record and beating good competition to get you into UFC.

Agreed, I still think they should be unbeaten though, unless it's an established fighter.

[Nate_Deezy]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Accually, Fighter's should fight less experienced or "cans" at first so they can get better. How do they know what bad compitition is until they gage their skills?

They would be fighting fighters with as much experience as them or fighters with bad records but with much more experience. This is how they would get better. I dont think throwing a fighter to the lions so early does anything for their career besides showing their heart and exposing their weaknesses.

I think getting all these screwed up record fighters that may or may not be that good is giving new MMA fans a bad idea of what a good fighter is. How do you think top 10 Boxers become so good? Because they fight less experienced fighters at first, work on their weaknesses, and by the time they have about 20 wins, their in title contention.

BTW, Jeremy Horn is not that good and he never seems to step up against a really good fighter. He is the perfect example but the only thing is, he will never get any better because his best dayz are behind him. Couture can't compete with the best either. He's good but not great, that's why he came down from HW so he could be more compitition. BJ is very good but he should of stayed at LW and he would of took advantage of his strength and stamina, but I tip my hat to his courage and he is the exception.

The problem here is if you constantly fight cans, you will pretty much start to assume, or at least never have a grasp on, what an actual talented fighter's skills are like. You will finally get a fight against a stud, and assume he's gonna be weak like the others, and get your ass kicked. I train in BJJ. I've rolled with white belts, blue belts, and a purple belt. I rolled with the white belts first, and tapped them out. (I'm a white belt) Then I rolled with a couple blue belts, and there wasn't much I could do but I did a good job avoiding submissions...but I was pretty much handled.

Then there was the purple belt. Not only did I get beaten badly, but there was never a situation I was in where I felt it was possible to better my position, let alone try a sub. It was literally the most helpless feeling I've ever felt in my life. I couldn't move once I was down. I'm 5'11 and about 225, and the purple belt was about 5'6" and 150 lbs. We started on our feet and he literally threw me on the ground...both feet left the floor and I was flipping through the air. He subbed me 8 times in 3 minutes.

The thing is if you don't fight tough competition, you will never know how to properly train if you ever were set to fight someone else of their calibur.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Nate_Deezy

The problem here is if you constantly fight cans, you will pretty much start to assume, or at least never have a grasp on, what an actual talented fighter's skills are like. You will finally get a fight against a stud, and assume he's gonna be weak like the others, and get your ass kicked. I train in BJJ. I've rolled with white belts, blue belts, and a purple belt. I rolled with the white belts first, and tapped them out. (I'm a white belt) Then I rolled with a couple blue belts, and there wasn't much I could do but I did a good job avoiding submissions...but I was pretty much handled.

Then there was the purple belt. Not only did I get beaten badly, but there was never a situation I was in where I felt it was possible to better my position, let alone try a sub. It was literally the most helpless feeling I've ever felt in my life. I couldn't move once I was down. I'm 5'11 and about 225, and the purple belt was about 5'6" and 150 lbs. We started on our feet and he literally threw me on the ground...both feet left the floor and I was flipping through the air. He subbed me 8 times in 3 minutes.

The thing is if you don't fight tough competition, you will never know how to properly train if you ever were set to fight someone else of their calibur.

You dont understand what im saying. When your in the lower MMA orgs. you will be fighting all calibur of fighters. Some will be cans, some good BJJ artists, some good strikers, some both, if you can go at least 10 and 0 with all level of fighters with at least 1 really good figher, I think you will be ready. I'm not saying just fight cans. All I'm saying is they need to really separate the good fighters from the best fighters.