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11-20-2006, 07:41 AM
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Iceman is not that good. His opponents striking is just that bad.
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11-20-2006, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobcat1 Metzger was a PKA champion, before entering Pancrase. And Vernon White was better known for his stand-up than anything else. | Do you really think there good strikers? honestly they both have bad records in MMA and lost to a lot of bad fighters.. there not good strikers.
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11-20-2006, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Afro Samurai Do you really think there good strikers? honestly they both have bad records in MMA and lost to a lot of bad fighters.. there not good strikers. | Is there a good striker he's fought? Those are the only ones I could think of, other than Belfort.
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11-20-2006, 07:57 AM
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A B+ Pride Fighter, Rampage outstriked him...
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11-20-2006, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobcat1 Is there a good striker he's fought? Those are the only ones I could think of, other than Belfort. | Belfort.. No, Alistair Overeem.. Yes, and Overeem outstriked Chuck until he gassed.. not using it as an excuse cuz Chuck is the better fighter, Chuck took him to the ground, and out-cardio'd Overeem but Overeem was beatin him pretty bad in the stand-up battle.. cuz Chucks biggest flaw is defending strikes.
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11-20-2006, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobcat1 Vernon White, Guy Metzger, and Jeremy Horn are not wrestlers, per se. And Chuck's last 10 wins have all been stoppages, of one sort or another. | Vernon White holds an MMA record of 24-27, nuff said about him...
Mezger had Chuck hurt and CHuck came back and KO'ed him.
Jeremy horn is a BJJ practinioner, not a striker, a ground game expert.
Overeem had Chuck hurt and nearly folded with knees to the body, Chuck was very hurt and Overeem gassed and Chuck sensed that he could pull off the win from being so close to defeat and gained a second wind and landed a huge right hand.
Rampage is NOT a striker, he's a wrestler with good standup, well rounded fighter. He made Chuck look really bad, he destroyed Chuck in the standup, wore him down, dropped him with punches and dropped huge punches and forearms to the body and face of Chuck, then mounted him and Chuck's corner threw in the towel instead of letting Chuck take a beating like they should've (not really I just don;t care for Liddell and all of the nuthuggin fans who think this way and do not realize, he is defeatign WRESTLERS and GRAPLERS and when you have sick takedown defense, those opponents MUST become STRIKERS and they are average at best).
How did Couture defeat Chuck? Striking, he had to outstrike CHuck to open him up for the takedown, very difficult to do when you are a world class wretler with average striking.
That is why Chuck looks so good against these UFC fighters.
He went to Pride 3 times and went 2-1 but was hurt in all 3 fights, not like his UFC fights where he fights a wrestler or grappler and KOs them in a minute or 2.
He has a great chin and that helps him a lot, but if would continue to face the level of competition he did in his 3 PRIDE fights, he would lose again.
Silva, Shogun, Lil Nog, Arona, even Igor and Overeem again woudl all be Chuck's biggest test of his career as the Overeem fight was one if his biggest in the past, Igor has some of the heaviest hands on the planet and the other 4 names speak for themselves.
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11-20-2006, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dagreat1 Vernon White holds an MMA record of 24-27, nuff said about him...
Mezger had Chuck hurt and CHuck came back and KO'ed him.
Jeremy horn is a BJJ practinioner, not a striker, a ground game expert.
Overeem had Chuck hurt and nearly folded with knees to the body, Chuck was very hurt and Overeem gassed and Chuck sensed that he could pull off the win from being so close to defeat and gained a second wind and landed a huge right hand.
Rampage is NOT a striker, he's a wrestler with good standup, well rounded fighter. He made Chuck look really bad, he destroyed Chuck in the standup, wore him down, dropped him with punches and dropped huge punches and forearms to the body and face of Chuck, then mounted him and Chuck's corner threw in the towel instead of letting Chuck take a beating like they should've (not really I just don;t care for Liddell and all of the nuthuggin fans who think this way and do not realize, he is defeatign WRESTLERS and GRAPLERS and when you have sick takedown defense, those opponents MUST become STRIKERS and they are average at best).
How did Couture defeat Chuck? Striking, he had to outstrike CHuck to open him up for the takedown, very difficult to do when you are a world class wretler with average striking.
That is why Chuck looks so good against these UFC fighters.
He went to Pride 3 times and went 2-1 but was hurt in all 3 fights, not like his UFC fights where he fights a wrestler or grappler and KOs them in a minute or 2.
He has a great chin and that helps him a lot, but if would continue to face the level of competition he did in his 3 PRIDE fights, he would lose again.
Silva, Shogun, Lil Nog, Arona, even Igor and Overeem again woudl all be Chuck's biggest test of his career as the Overeem fight was one if his biggest in the past, Igor has some of the heaviest hands on the planet and the other 4 names speak for themselves. | Well said
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11-20-2006, 10:20 AM
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Chuck would have little chance against the top fighters in Pride!
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11-20-2006, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by harlemhustla145 Well said | Well said indeed.  | |
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11-20-2006, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by dagreat1 Jeremy horn is a BJJ practinioner, not a striker, a ground game. | Actually, Jeremy in his pre-fight interviews claimed he would beat Chuck with his boxing skills, which he claimed were stronger than Chuck's. Chuck knocked him down five or six times during the course of the bout, until Jeremy, complaining of blurred vision, quit.
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