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[BigBanda]

Originally Posted by dewrdie

Chuck would have little chance against the top fighters in Pride!

Come on now, thats a little too low. Chuck would have actually a relatively good chance against fighters in the MW division in Pride. These would actually be wars and not 1st round KO's that Chuck is used to in the UFC LHW division. Still we are talking about this matter when it probably will never happen. Yet UFC and Pride keep teasing with these Chuck vs Wand fights but cant come to a frickin agreement.

[Afro]

Chuck can beat a lot of Pride Fighters, but it wont be nearly as easy as he beats UFC fighters and I think he would lose a few more fights too.

[AJL416AZ]

now i like chuck. one of my favorites since i started watching MMA.

but chuck's striking is not good. his KO power is good
technically, he has some of the worst standup i've seen in MMA, especially among the guys that are called strikers.

he keeps his legs wide and flatfooted for balance. this makes him easily succeptible to leg kicks, and not as light on his feet.
he keeps his hands low, and his chin out, looking for the KO. this makes him easy to hit.
his jabs and setups are just lazy, he might loop it to a lazy hook, but normally he just bats at their head

the thing is though, if you decide to step in and throw a leg kick, or throw a combo at his exposed chin, or move your head away from his lazy-ass jab
he throws power, and knocks you the fuck out.

Chuck is using a style tailormade for the UFC, and for every guy that is primarily a grappler. he circles his opponent and takes the center of the cage. he uses his wrestling to stop any shoots, and if taken down, he just gets back up ASAP. then he just beats the hell out of their shitty ass standup


if you want to see what real standup does to chuck, watch Rampage vs Chuck, and the first couple minutes of Overeem vs Chuck, or Metzger vs Chuck. he might have KOd them, but outside of the hail mary punch, he really cant keep up with a good striker

[Hypergit]

Bisping will beat seven shades out of him in a couple of years. Vera may do so even sooner.

[icemanct]

Originally Posted by Hypergit

Bisping will beat seven shades out of him in a couple of years. Vera may do so even sooner.

keep dreaming retard

[icemanct]

not his fault their are no strikers in the lhw division in the ufc.he's to good,last 7 fights won all by ko.their is somethig called improvement and chuck has improved a lot.and don't bring up rampage,chuck would easily ko the ovverated and washed up rampage.and its not like its only chuck here.what about wand?fought cro cop and huntand belfort.and didn't win any of them.even though he got a draw against cro cop the first time.wand has never beaten a good striker.so lets not just bash chuck here.i wouldnt say rampage is a well good striker hes ok.and he outstruck chuck yes.3 YEARS AGO OUT OF SHAPE RIGHT AFTER COUTURE FIGHT

[Big Daddy Duker]

I have to say that I agree that Chuck's standup skills per se DON"T seem all that impressive. The man has hands of lead (or whatever is heavier than lead) no doubt, but he seems to throw a lot of wild haymaker type of punches. Many of them don't seem like professional punches, period. I'm betting that if he didn't have hands that heavy and punched only as hard as your average or slightly above average LHW, he wouldn't win many fights.

[icemanct]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Duker

I have to say that I agree that Chuck's standup skills per se DON"T seem all that impressive. The man has hands of lead (or whatever is heavier than lead) no doubt, but he seems to throw a lot of wild haymaker type of punches. Many of them don't seem like professional punches, period. I'm betting that if he didn't have hands that heavy and punched only as hard as your average or slightly above average LHW, he wouldn't win many fights.

well to bad he has heavy hands and ko power.thats why he has won his last 7 fights by ko and he is the best at LHW in the world.and one of the best p4p

[Metalhead]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Duker

I have to say that I agree that Chuck's standup skills per se DON"T seem all that impressive. The man has hands of lead (or whatever is heavier than lead) no doubt, but he seems to throw a lot of wild haymaker type of punches. Many of them don't seem like professional punches, period. I'm betting that if he didn't have hands that heavy and punched only as hard as your average or slightly above average LHW, he wouldn't win many fights.

K, wow. If Tito was only average at ground and pound he wouldn't win many fights, if Matt Hughes was only average at wrestling he wouldn't take down anybody or win many fights. If Royce Gracie was only average at BJJ he would'nt have won many fights. No shit...see where I'm going with this?

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by icemanct

not his fault their are no strikers in the lhw division in the ufc.he's to good,last 7 fights won all by ko.their is somethig called improvement and chuck has improved a lot.and don't bring up rampage,chuck would easily ko the ovverated and washed up rampage.and its not like its only chuck here.what about wand?fought cro cop and huntand belfort.and didn't win any of them.even though he got a draw against cro cop the first time.wand has never beaten a good striker.so lets not just bash chuck here.i wouldnt say rampage is a well good striker hes ok.and he outstruck chuck yes.3 YEARS AGO OUT OF SHAPE RIGHT AFTER COUTURE FIGHT

Mezger, Sak x3, rampage x2, draw with Cro Cop, Kondo and everyone who has actually seen the Silva vs Hunt fight knows Wand won that fight, it was not even very close. He out struck Hunt a former 2-3 time K-1 champion and took him down at will while being outweighed by 75lbs!

You also can't use the Belfort fight, especially when in the same paragraph you bring up Chuck's loss to Rampage being 3 years ago as Silva's loss to Belfort was over 8 years ago.

2 of Chuck's past 7 victories have been TKO not KO and of Chucks last 7 victories, 1 was a striker and that was Overeem and Chuck was folded in that fight, he got fugged up adn was so very lucky to even come away with the win so nothing impressive about it. People make excuses for Penn gasing and Hughes beating him or some injury etc but nothing like that when Overeem is manhandling Chuck and picking him apart with brutal knees to the body in the Thai clinch and then gasses and is a sitting duck and Chuck catches him with a wild right, that is apparently skill and is because Chuck is the best LHW in the world?

It doesn't matter that it is not Chuck's fault that he has not faced strikers becasue there aren't any experienced ones in the UFC, the point is that he does not face strikers so there being none in the UFC is irrelevent because it is already well known what happens to CHuck when he faces a great striker, it is not a cake walk like his matches vs wrestlers and grapplers so the "if Chuck faced a striker" talk is not speculation becasue we have all seen what happens to Chuck when he does face great strikers, he gets hurt.