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[Y2JUBAE]

He also accused Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg of bias, saying their commentary has swayed public opinion against him. “The American commentators were pretty much biased. If you see the fight without audio, you will probably see a different fight.”
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American commentators were biased against a Brazilian for a Brazilian. lol.

I think if you score it by rounds Machida takes it, but if you score it as a whole, Shogun wins. If it would have kept going, I think Shogun would have knocked him out. Who knows and who cares, I'm ready for the rematch.

[b1uef1ow]

Originally Posted by Ramma

While I do agree that Machida took the first three rounds, I think he is trying to make himself believe he clearly won the fight, which he didn't CLEARLY win it. It was very close, and he definitely didn't take the 4th round.



And I agree with GL Jeff, opening a press conference by saying what he said definitely was a bad move.

If he had done that with the Franklin/Hendo fight, he would have caused an uproar.

Agreed.

[b1uef1ow]

Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE

American commentators were biased against a Brazilian for a Brazilian. lol.

I think if you score it by rounds Machida takes it, but if you score it as a whole, Shogun wins. If it would have kept going, I think Shogun would have knocked him out. Who knows and who cares, I'm ready for the rematch.

Biased for there admiration of Shogun or maybe they were towing the company line trying to put Shogun over.

[Otomosix]

Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE

American commentators were biased against a Brazilian for a Brazilian. lol.

I think if you score it by rounds Machida takes it, but if you score it as a whole, Shogun wins. If it would have kept going, I think Shogun would have knocked him out. Who knows and who cares, I'm ready for the rematch.

And if Machida keeps running his mouth, he's going to lose alot of fans (similar to Anderson Silva lately).

[Sick_Lunatic]

Just seen the CompuStrike Stats, quite disappointing:

CompuStrike Stats For Lyoto Machida vs Shogun Rua

"CompuStrike has released their stats and analysis of the UFC 104 main event between Lyoto Machida and Shogun Rua. One item of interest that no one has said much about is the knee strikes that Shogun outlanded 2-1 on Machida.

Rua outlanded Machida 89-50 in Total Strikes landed including 73 Leg Strikes landed. Rua dominated the fight and did just about everything he needed to do to beat the undefeated Machida, including outlanding Machida in every round, but apparently it wasn’t enough for the judges. All 3 judges scored it 48-47 or 3-2.

The Arm Strikes were virtually the same as both fighters landed 16 total Arm Strikes but it was Rua who dominated every position by landing the damaging Leg Strikes. Rua was able to land 46 kicks when going toe-to-toe with Machida, and landing 27 knees when in the clinch.

Lyoto Machida Mauricio Rua
50/105 Total Strikes Landed/Thrown 89/155
48% Percentage 57%

16/54 Total Arm Strikes Landed/Thrown 16/50
30% Percentage 32%
15 Power Strikes Landed 13
1 Clinch Strikes Landed 3

34/51 Total Leg Strikes Landed/Thrown 73/105
67% Percentage 70%
21 Kicks Landed 46
13 Knees Landed 27

0/0 Ground Strikes Landed/Thrown 0/0
0% Percentage 0%

0/0 Takedowns/Attempts 0/3
0 Submission Attempts 0
0 Reversals 0
0 Dominant Positions 0

Glossary
Total Strikes = Total Arm Strikes + Total Leg Strikes + Ground Strikes
Total Arm Strikes Landed = Power Strikes Landed + Clinch Strikes Landed
Total Leg Strikes Landed = Kicks Landed + Knees Landed




All I can see Ma-choda having the edge in, was 2 more power strikes? WTF is that?
This is the absolute worst decision I have EVER seen in MMA to date, anyone agree?

[domination]

it reminds me of the old pride days. kinda like how they protected gomi. hope shogun can stay focused. hope it doesnt eat at him during the rematch. he needs to focus on countering machida's counter strategy. whatever it maybe.

[cjamis000]

im going to have to disagree with most of you... i think dana saying that he thinks shogun won is definitely necessary. with all the talk of the possible fixing of this fight, and of future fixed fights.. it is necessary for the president of the ufc to make it known that he is not the one doing this. yes, there will be corruption in sports, and mma probably wont be excluded from that. the judges may be swayed one way or another buy whomever, but dana going on record stating that he completely disagrees with the decision made for whatever fight may help to silence the voices saying that it is the UFC itself fixing these fights. as stated before, the ufc has no say in who gets to judge the fights.. some people may tend to forget that when there are controversial decisions

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

They thought Shogun was winning the fight, there's a big difference between that and having his junk in their mouth. Is their commentary influential? Sure, and I think Machida makes a valid point bringing that up. He's still one of my favorite fighters, and I'm glad he is saying he will change his game plan based on the tape and go for a KO this time.

But I still think he lost. He came after Shogun more, he had a few flurries that looked like desperation moves where as Shogun remained calm and countered successfully the entire fight. I think most of the controversy comes from the idea that Shogun not only landed considerably more shots, he also landed the more damaging shots.

Not a big difference. It started from the first minute. They hardly said anything about any shots that Machida was landing. It was definitely biased in Shogun's favor.

Shogun would throw a kick that didn't do much while Machida would throw a counter and hit Shogun solid, but they would never say a word about the counter....only the kick.

[Dr. MMA]

Machida definitely did not win 4 rounds and if he says something like "atleast I won 3" that means he wasn't even sure if he won the 4th round but he may give it to himself. The rounds were close and there's a reason why people are debating who won.

As for his (and cecil peoples) statement that leg kicks (to the leg) won't finish the fight, tell that to Rizzo, Jardine, CroCop, and Brandon Vera who have finished fights via low leg kicks. Even if it didn't finish fights, it scores you points because it's doing damage. The damage was especially evident in the 4th and 5th rounds where it stifled Machida's movement. This was primarily the reason why Shogun won the 4th and 5th round clearly.

Dana white can state his opinion but he needs to know where to. It's a wrong move to cause an unnessary uproar as soon as he opens the conference.

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by TN94z

Not a big difference. It started from the first minute. They hardly said anything about any shots that Machida was landing. It was definitely biased in Shogun's favor.

Shogun would throw a kick that didn't do much while Machida would throw a counter and hit Shogun solid, but they would never say a word about the counter....only the kick.

They did mention Machida's counters several times. And the reason why they talked about Shogun constantly landing strikes was... because he was constantly landing strikes. People can argue all they want, but you look at the statistics for the fight, Shogun clearly landed more. If you look at how each fighter looked at the end of the fight, Machida was clearly more fucked up. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments supporting Machida winning the fight. Cecil Peoples going on an elitist rant saying fans don't understand the sport, is just retarded. He should realize that if seeing a guy get fucked up in a fight is different then him losing the fight, then something is seriously wrong with how judges make their decisions.

This wasn't Belcher/Akiyama, where Belcher appeared to do more damage while Akiyama landed more strikes. This isn't Bisping/Hamill where Bisping was the busier fighter, who landed a lot of kicks and threw more punches, while Hamill scored more takedowns. Shogun was the aggressor for basically the entire fight; Machida looked weary and predictable. In the last 2 rounds, Machida was unable to mount any effective offense because of the damage he suffered in the first 3. Every single round, Shogun out landed Machida, and landed incredibly hard low strikes. Machida landed a few straight lefts, but Shogun landed just as many hard hooks. Even in the flurries where Machida is normally dominant, Shogun covered up and countered perfectly, forcing Machida to clinch or back up. In the clinch, where Machida normally knees the shit out of his opponents, Shogun landed more knees. Machida was almost completely nullified in the fight, the only thing Shogun did wrong was not pick up the pace in the later rounds when Machida looked completely beat. Total robbery imo.