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[RunDiazRun]

Actually, I think it has been proven time and time again that MMA judges are NOT very professional at all

and no, Lyoto, you were not superior. That is why you landed less strikes than Shogun in every round but the 2nd (and they weren't as hard), and that is why you were limping in the last 2 rounds and didn't do shit.

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

They did mention Machida's counters several times. And the reason why they talked about Shogun constantly landing strikes was... because he was constantly landing strikes. People can argue all they want, but you look at the statistics for the fight, Shogun clearly landed more. If you look at how each fighter looked at the end of the fight, Machida was clearly more fucked up. I haven't seen any reasonable arguments supporting Machida winning the fight. Cecil Peoples going on an elitist rant saying fans don't understand the sport, is just retarded. He should realize that if seeing a guy get fucked up in a fight is different then him losing the fight, then something is seriously wrong with how judges make their decisions.

This wasn't Belcher/Akiyama, where Belcher appeared to do more damage while Akiyama landed more strikes. This isn't Bisping/Hamill where Bisping was the busier fighter, who landed a lot of kicks and threw more punches, while Hamill scored more takedowns. Shogun was the aggressor for basically the entire fight; Machida looked weary and predictable. In the last 2 rounds, Machida was unable to mount any effective offense because of the damage he suffered in the first 3. Every single round, Shogun out landed Machida, and landed incredibly hard low strikes. Machida landed a few straight lefts, but Shogun landed just as many hard hooks. Even in the flurries where Machida is normally dominant, Shogun covered up and countered perfectly, forcing Machida to clinch or back up. In the clinch, where Machida normally knees the shit out of his opponents, Shogun landed more knees. Machida was almost completely nullified in the fight, the only thing Shogun did wrong was not pick up the pace in the later rounds when Machida looked completely beat. Total robbery imo.

I am not arguing that Shogun won, I think Shogun won the fight also. But it was very very clear that they were biased in their commentary. I understand that Shogun was landing a lot of shots but so was Machida with no where near the comments that Shogun got.

[bobafett]

i need to rewatch the fight
i clearly saw shogun deliver just 2 leg kicks and one punch
in the counter during the fucking ENTIRE fight the rest were BLOCKEd
but this doesnt effect my opinion that these 2 are deserving
of champion status but even in the worst case of a draw the
champion should retain the belt
and rogan for u id suspect u had big money on shogun
shame on u

[GL Jeff]

Joe Rogan has done this before. If you watch Akiyama's last fight against Belcher, Joe was riding Alans nuts the whole fight. But the real fight was, Sexy hitting Alan on the way in,and on the way out. Same thing with Machida. I say Machida jumping in and hitting Shogun, then jumping out. Then I saw a leg kick, then Shogun getting punched in the head. While he did block alot of the shots. Machida also swept alot of those kicks.

Why does a kick to the leg, be any less effective as a punch to the arm?lol.

[Renny]

if he thought he won, why did he only half heartedly raise his hands after the fight???? while shogun was more confident in his hand raise.....

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Renny

if he thought he won, why did he only half heartedly raise his hands after the fight???? while shogun was more confident in his hand raise.....

he thought he lost too....just like most of us did.

[Death Beast]

The commentary was extremely biased and in a fight like this, it definitely sways public opinion. I don't have an exact number worked out, but I'd say at least 50% of their exchanges were mutual, with both guys throwing either a kick or punch either at the same time or immediately after the other threw their strike. On these exchanges, I saw Machida land some good kicks or punches, but the commentary always focused on Shogun's strike. On one exchange I thought Lyoto might've cracked his rib with a knee and all they talked about was a leg kick Shogun threw while Machida was coming in. Then to close round 3, Lyoto charged Shogun and threw a few combinations, but Shogun landed a great counter that caused Machida to clinch up instead of finishing his combo. The announcers spent pretty much the whole rest period between 3 & 4 highlighting this as basically meaning that Shogun won that exchange.
I really doubt they wanted Shogun to win, but their behavior is pretty much in line with how they act whenever a favorite that they've been banking on starts losing a fight. They immediately try to hype the other guy and start pointing out all the ways he's better than the favorite, usually Rogan will throw in the line about "Real fighters have been saying that x would beat y, but these casual fans don't understand that because they don't see him on TV as much".
and IMHO - Shogun is going to get thrashed in the rematch since Lyoto was taking this fight lightly (Evidence is found in any interview that he discussed going HW after he walked thru 4 or 5 challengers - and I don't care if he didn't use those words, if I talk about something I'm going to do after I do 5 other things, then I'm overlooking those 5 other things as less significant than my end goal, and so was he)

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

They thought Shogun was winning the fight, there's a big difference between that and having his junk in their mouth. Is their commentary influential? Sure, and I think Machida makes a valid point bringing that up. He's still one of my favorite fighters, and I'm glad he is saying he will change his game plan based on the tape and go for a KO this time.

But I still think he lost. He came after Shogun more, he had a few flurries that looked like desperation moves where as Shogun remained calm and countered successfully the entire fight. I think most of the controversy comes from the idea that Shogun not only landed considerably more shots, he also landed the more damaging shots.

No goodtimes,

They were clearly behind Shogun for the majority of the fight. If you were blind and could only hear the fight you would think Shogun was beating the crap out of Machida.

Now I like Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg I think they have great chemistry together but they kinda pissed me off in this fight. I now understand why Griffin watches fights without audio.

rd

[grambino]

I'm surprised that the Rogan & Goldie commentary is getting so much play. I had no idea so many people watched with the sound turned on. I haven't watched an MMA event with the sound on in years. I didn't even turn it up until I realized the victory had gone to Machida. I was as shocked as Machida and Shogun and 99.9 % of all viewers. I don't think this was a close fight at all. I believe Shogun won 4-1 and I could live with 3-2. IMO it's not like there's even a possible round 3 for Machida and that's why I mean it wasn't close. I think Shogun banked a solid 3 rounds without question. When the fight was over and Shogun raised his arms and Machida half heartedly raised his because he saw Shogun celebrating I assumed the commentary was along the lines of how impressive Shogun's domination was. I was completely caught off guard by the decision. I still haven't watched the fight with commentary, but if they were praising Shogun during the fight they were probably right to from the perspective that no one has ever taken it to Machida up to that point. It was very impressive and they probably got caught up in the moment as I was watching at home. I love both of these guys and it was going to be bitter sweet no matter what, but I didn't expect this type of debacle. It actually ruined the entire thing for me other than seeing Shogun is clearly back. I've been saying all along that Shogun would win and I guess I was wrong...kind of. Bitter sweet.

[FalconPunch]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

Now I like Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg I think they have great chemistry together but they kinda pissed me off in this fight. I now understand why Griffin watches fights without audio.

rd

This is most definitely true, out of most the people at my house watching were screaming that it was a robbery and shogun beat the shit outta machida, And we have joe rogan and mike goldberg to blame for that IMO.

it just pissed me off that i would see machida land a good punch then only hear about how shogun countered with a great body kick when it didnt even connect, that happened a lot of time in that fight.