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[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

No goodtimes,

They were clearly behind Shogun for the majority of the fight. If you were blind and could only hear the fight you would think Shogun was beating the crap out of Machida.

Now I like Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg I think they have great chemistry together but they kinda pissed me off in this fight. I now understand why Griffin watches fights without audio.

rd

Ya they were behind Shogun for the majority of the fight, maybe because he was winning? And if I was deaf and just watched the fight, I would still think Shogun beat the crap out of Machida. I don't think people realize how sluggish and injured Machida looked in the last 2 rounds, especially the last round. While the first round was very competitive, it was obvious that in every exchange Machida was slowing down, while Shogun kept the same pace. Anyways, there is a difference between biased commentating and commentating that is trying to accurately explain how the fight is going. Should Rogan and Goldie say every fight is a tie in order to avoid looking biased?

And I really don't buy the argument that strikes to the head should overwhelmingly trump strikes to the body and legs, saying that because Machida was headhunting more in the fight he deserved the decision. By that logic, Sean Sherk was winning against BJ Penn in their title fight, because he kept winging the right hand and landing it occassionally while BJ was only throwing jabs, obviously not a fight finishing punch. Or Liddell should have beat Jardine because most of Jardine's attack was low kicks. I just don't see how anyone can defend the decision for Machida, and seeing as how 80% or so of people watching the fight think Shogun won, I think it's safe to say he was robbed.

[Bloodbeard]

Machida has a right to be upset over Dana's comments. I agree with people who say back your champion up and don't throw him under the bus like that! grrrr dana.

my brain hurts from reading the forum lately. :P got to take a break! too many people shoving their opinion down other people's throat. it's ANNOYING!

[Rocky>Fedor]

I also think that Dana should not have said that, but anyway, he has never been famous for saying intelligent things in press conferences or interviews.

About Lyoto, no, he was not superior at all, he maybe won round 2 and 3, but 1, 4 and 5 (and even IMO round 2) were for Shogun.

About the commentators, yes, they were nut hugging Shogun, but I dont need to listen to those 2 idiots to "judge" a fight. I know that in a scenario where Machida landed one punch and Shogun one kick they just said "Oh, great kick by Shogun" and never mentions the punch by machida, but I watch the fights with my eyes, not with my ears, so I dont care what that bum Rogan said, I watched the fight and for me Mauricio was the winner.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

Ya they were behind Shogun for the majority of the fight, maybe because he was winning? And if I was deaf and just watched the fight, I would still think Shogun beat the crap out of Machida. I don't think people realize how sluggish and injured Machida looked in the last 2 rounds, especially the last round. While the first round was very competitive, it was obvious that in every exchange Machida was slowing down, while Shogun kept the same pace. Anyways, there is a difference between biased commentating and commentating that is trying to accurately explain how the fight is going. Should Rogan and Goldie say every fight is a tie in order to avoid looking biased?

And I really don't buy the argument that strikes to the head should overwhelmingly trump strikes to the body and legs, saying that because Machida was headhunting more in the fight he deserved the decision. By that logic, Sean Sherk was winning against BJ Penn in their title fight, because he kept winging the right hand and landing it occassionally while BJ was only throwing jabs, obviously not a fight finishing punch. Or Liddell should have beat Jardine because most of Jardine's attack was low kicks. I just don't see how anyone can defend the decision for Machida, and seeing as how 80% or so of people watching the fight think Shogun won, I think it's safe to say he was robbed.

Oh come on you know damn well the commentating was biased from the get go. They were all over Shoguns sausage before the middle of the 1st round despite blows being exchanged.

rd

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

Ya they were behind Shogun for the majority of the fight, maybe because he was winning? And if I was deaf and just watched the fight, I would still think Shogun beat the crap out of Machida. I don't think people realize how sluggish and injured Machida looked in the last 2 rounds, especially the last round. While the first round was very competitive, it was obvious that in every exchange Machida was slowing down, while Shogun kept the same pace. Anyways, there is a difference between biased commentating and commentating that is trying to accurately explain how the fight is going. Should Rogan and Goldie say every fight is a tie in order to avoid looking biased?

I could agree with their commentating had it started in the later rounds after we had actually seen the majority of the fight. But it seemed to start as soon as the first round started and never stopped. It sounds to me like the majority of the people realize how sluggish he looked at the end since most people think Shogun won it...that has nothing to do with the first minutes of the fight. The problem is that their commentating was not accurately describing how the fight was going because Machida was matching Shogun in the beginning.

Of course they shouldn't say every fight is a tie They should call it in an unbiased fashion

[GFB]

I don't think it's right that DW came out and said that, however a good point was made that MMA needs to be open and honest if they want to avoid being accused of cheating, or being shady, or rigged or anything like that. I think that's what this may be, but there must have been some better ways of going about it.