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[Sakara=Excitement]

And a 3 mil live gate is nothing to sneeze at. Thats not a failure at all.

[deathloc]

Originally Posted by Dr. MMA

I don't know how much of an indicator this is. Sure it could be due to Tito's declining ppv drawing ability but there were a couple of major factors involved as well.

UFC 106 was heavily billed around the Lesnar/Carwin match and it deterred fans when the cancellation occurred. It affected the marketing and advertising behind it as you can tell by late Tito/Forrest ads going up and the relatively short UFC countdown episode (their primary hype show). Fans are also affected by the "this card is not as great as it first was". If Lesnar/Carwin was never announced and Tito/Forrest was always scheduled to be the main event, fans wouldn't have higher expectations but it does affect them when the card is losing more than gaining more.

now i know you are a doctor of mma. spot on post.

i actually dont see this as bad news. not great news, but still not bad news.

you cant blame tito for an event he wasnt even scheduled to main event lol. and besides, he wasnt even supposed to fight griffin, he was supposed to fight coleman. there was little to no hype for the ortiz/griffin rematch. lastly, if this proves tito cant draw anymore then this also proves griffin cant draw at all.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by xrjxarsonx

im not too surprised. A few of my friends didnt even come by to watch like they normally do, seemed like an overall lack of buzz after the main event fell through.

Do you guys still think Tito is the draw he once was?
I dont think so. People always say, "love him or hate him, tito puts asses in seats". after all the injuries and time off between fights, i think the UFC has made new stars to the casual fans and tito isnt the instant buyrate he once was.

I don't agree. Tito still can draw..in my opinion he saved the event in terms of sales.

People hear say: tito has not evolved..2001 fighter in 2009. Sure, he is not the New breed of fighters up and coming. But as much as a sore loser and winner he is. He show up every time. he showed up beat Rashad. Almost submitted machida....who can say that? Rust was a big factor in that third round. Tito wanted to stand and bang with forrest. Let's face it Forrest doesn't have knockout power and it shows. Tito simply couldn't put his hands up and throw a punch. why? fear of forrest. I think not. fatigue and rust...yes.

If anything it looks bad on Forrest for not being able to convincingly beat a guy who took 18 months off of fighting.....has back surgery with bolts and plates stuck in his back and a fractured eye socker to boot. excuses or not. Forrest couldn't dominate.

Tito has the drawing power. Hell prove it..watch and see.

[beau420]

People who thought Tito was still worth tuning in for and did, I don't think a lot of them will be tuning in next time for him alone. No one wants to see what he did in the third round again. He pulled a fucking Kalib Starnes for over 4 minutes in the last round.

The UFC should never, ever, ever give fighters guaranteed money with no win bonus. (I think the first CroCop fight was like that too)

If Tito headlines another card I will be watching it for free on the internet or download it the next day. I am sure the crowd will be the same....expect even less if they are dumb enough to do that again.

[JCVD]

I had afew mates over for the fight and a couple of casual friends that don't usually show up showed up just cause Tito was fightin so i agree that i think he saved the card but i also agree that his drawing power took a huge hit from his performance particularly because of that obvious third round. Even the casuals that showed up in my house were complaining about the third round&his performance.

He needs a big performance in his next fight which he is capable of but i do agree that it should be a co main event fight and not a main event. Guess his performance&the main event status will depend on the opponent.

[Pasha K]

I wonder what Dana has to say after this.

When UFC does shitty entrances then its all OK, its all good.
No matter what numbers other organizations does, for him its always shit.

[JadedX]

Originally Posted by beau420

People who thought Tito was still worth tuning in for and did, I don't think a lot of them will be tuning in next time for him alone. No one wants to see what he did in the third round again. He pulled a fucking Kalib Starnes for over 4 minutes in the last round.

The UFC should never, ever, ever give fighters guaranteed money with no win bonus. (I think the first CroCop fight was like that too)

If Tito headlines another card I will be watching it for free on the internet or download it the next day. I am sure the crowd will be the same....expect even less if they are dumb enough to do that again.

Not exactly.. Tito wasn't running away from Griffin, lol. No offence, but comparing Tito to Kalib does boggle the mind a tad.

Last minute cancelled main event, replacements, etc etc within what, weeks? Yeah, selling only 62% of tickets is really, really bad. And let's not remember that they pulled in a $3mil gate, lol.

Like dl had mentioned, if Tito isn't a draw anymore, then Griffin isn't a draw at all. Griffin's supposed to be the most liked UFC fighter since the original TUF. So you'd think he'd sell the out the joint, or close to it. I didn't think that for a second, though, because as I've said many a time, Griffin's over-rated. Ask Rashad. Ask Him! Better yet, ask Jardine. Ask Him!

[beau420]

Originally Posted by JadedX

Not exactly.. Tito wasn't running away from Griffin, lol. No offence, but comparing Tito to Kalib does boggle the mind a tad.

Last minute cancelled main event, replacements, etc etc within what, weeks? Yeah, selling only 62% of tickets is really, really bad. And let's not remember that they pulled in a $3mil gate, lol.

Like dl had mentioned, if Tito isn't a draw anymore, then Griffin isn't a draw at all. Griffin's supposed to be the most liked UFC fighter since the original TUF. So you'd think he'd sell the out the joint, or close to it. I didn't think that for a second, though, because as I've said many a time, Griffin's over-rated. Ask Rashad. Ask Him! Better yet, ask Jardine. Ask Him!

Alright, Kalib is a huge stretch, for 3 minutes me and a few buddies were discussing if he had broken his hands and didn't want to punch anymore. Either way, not championship caliber. Telegraphed takedowns, no attempt to finish the fight or press the action.

What I was trying to get across was, knowing after the fight that Tito had no incentive to win (except for his record) Maybe I just believed to much in Tito's self promotion. Now looking back at his fight record, the last time he finished a fight (that wasn't Ken Shamrock) was Elvis Sinosic in 2001....and that was a cut.....at that point his record was 7-2 at the time.....crazy.

I am pretty sure most people agree that Forrest is overrated. His popularity has been in a downward slope. The height of his popularity was probably just before Bonnar 2. But it has more noticeably gone down since that last couple performances. Where a real seasoned veteran fighter fights a TUF graduate.

I just hope that next time I see Tito fight, he shows more actual fight....that and they better not give him guaranteed money. Fuck, make the win bonus the same or double his money to show.

[goodtimes]

I think they did pretty well with losing the main event and not having any title fights on the card. I'd watch Tito fight again, he didn't do that poorly, it was a close fight and I think Forrest can hang with anyone at LHW.