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[deadcaleb]

Its easy for Mir to talk smack about Fedor cause he will never get a chance to lose to him. He kept running his mouth about how he is gonna beat Lesnar, when he should of been spending more time wrestling. As far as giving credit where credit is due...Lets see, Mir beat Lesnar in the first fight "due to lack of experience" Well we all know what happened when Lesnar got got some trainning and a few fights under his belt, then absolutly destroyed Mir. So now lets take it over to Nog. He had a staph infection at the time, and anyone who saw that fight could see that "something was not right" so just wait til Nog gets his hands on Mir again and shut his mouth. Unfortunatly that probably wont happen, since he is gonna commit suicide by standing up with Kongo, and Nog is gonna out wrestle Cain and move up the ladder to a title shot. Hey maybe Mir can fight Cro cop next, get his head kicked off, then that will tell you right there that Mir will never beat Fedor.

[grambino]

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I understand how people at Mir because he is cocky or thinks to high of himself as a martial artist.

BUT you gotta give him props when it's due. I think Brock can beat fedor....and MIR beat Brock.
Also..beating NOG is a big thing!

Give the guy credit when it's due.

Beating Nog is a big deal...when he's healthy! Beating Nog multiple times when he was at the height of his career is a bigger deal. Absolutely beating Nog like a step child in his prime is a huge deal! Mir would not be talking shit about Fedor if he thought there was any chance at all of having to face him.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by KnowledgeKnown

Brock can beat Fedor? I guess this will be a debate that will go on forever. But I always wonder what this opinion is based on.

On Brock's vast experience fighting top notch competition? On Brock's knack for always pulling out victories?. On his amazing submission defense? Or submission excellence? His proven striking skills? When he was hit hard by both Mir and Randy, he resorted to his wrestling to get the takedown right away. So is Fedor's striking better than Mir and Couture? I would argue that it absolutely is. What happens to wrestlers on the ground with Fedor? There is quite a history of this to take from.

I acknowledge that Brock has what I believe to be unlimited potential and freakish athleticism
but i'm not convinced Lesnar can withstand the weapons Fedor has command of.

And I like Mir as a fighter, but he'd be battered by Fedor.

I do believe Brock can beat Fedor. i'm not going to apologize for that.

now you say:
What happens to wrestlers on the ground with Fedor? There is quite a history of this to take from.

Please tell me you are not refering to Coleman and randleman as the wrestlers.

Brock is in a differnet league when It comes to controlling a persons body and Wrestling alltogether.

you said it perfect yourself:

When he was hit hard by both Mir and Randy, he resorted to his wrestling to get the takedown right away.

That's the right thing to do. ANY Champion will tell you that!
Dedor himself when rocked grabs you and takles you down. It's what you should do!

That being said..wasn't it a right hand that ended Coutures night? He never recovered from that right hand and got donkey konged.

Remember that Brock jsut might have a gameplan...jsut maybe.

[TheCowabungaDude]

Nobody thought Matt Hughes would ever lose to GSP because Matt armbarred him the 1st time out. Nobody expected Matt Hughes cocky ass to fall off the radar so fast. What makes Fedor so awesome? I somewhat agree with Mir, Fedor needs to be in the UFC if he wants to be regarded as the best. However, staying in other promotions he has been fighting washed up ex-champs or whats-his-names and is still regarded as the best so......LOL....Its just a matter of time until A. Fedor comes to UFC and loses or B. Fedor loses to a no name. If I was him I would retire now or go to the UFC. People stay on top for only so long. Gracie was 1st, the sport evolved and Hughes got him, the sport evolved and GSP got him, the sport went poop and came back to Serra beating GSP....lmao.....but yeah I think Fedor would lose within 3 fights in the UFC.

[beau420]

Regardless of competition, Mir should keep his mouth shut. He has had really impressive fights and beat guys where he has been the underdog.

In Mir's career, he has never strung together more than 4 wins in a row......never more than 4 wins in a row.....and he is ragging on Fedor again?

Wonder if he intentionally didn't mention Fedor beating big Timmay.

And as for saying:

if I were to go out there and submit him in less than a minute It would prove nothing, a true martial artists would want to challenge himself and the challenge presented in front of me right now is to out-strike someone who on paper is the better striker

What a hypocrite Kimuraing Antoni Hardonk in 1:17 in the 1st round and kneebarring Brock in 1:30. Or even earlier than that, Pete Williams in 46 seconds, toe holding Tank in 46 seconds or breaking Timmay's arm in 50 seconds. Why didn't he stand and bang with them?....granted he tried to stand with Brock for about 10 seconds, then I guess he gave up and went to step 2.....also known as hypocrisy.

I mean, it's a fight where the outcome should be you winning. You use your strengths against his weaknesses. Sure, showcase your new shit if you want, but don't forget your game plan.

Damn it Mir. Apart from having to see you on WEC events, please keep your mouth shut. No one wants to hear what you say and you are only making more and more enemies.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by beau420

Regardless of competition, Mir should keep his mouth shut. He has had really impressive fights and beat guys where he has been the underdog.

In Mir's career, he has never strung together more than 4 wins in a row......never more than 4 wins in a row.....and he is ragging on Fedor again?

Wonder if he intentionally didn't mention Fedor beating big Timmay.

And as for saying:


What a hypocrite Kimuraing Antoni Hardonk in 1:17 in the 1st round and kneebarring Brock in 1:30. Or even earlier than that, Pete Williams in 46 seconds, toe holding Tank in 46 seconds or breaking Timmay's arm in 50 seconds. Why didn't he stand and bang with them?....granted he tried to stand with Brock for about 10 seconds, then I guess he gave up and went to step 2.....also known as hypocrisy.

I mean, it's a fight where the outcome should be you winning. You use your strengths against his weaknesses. Sure, showcase your new shit if you want, but don't forget your game plan.



Damn it Mir. Apart from having to see you on WEC events, please keep your mouth shut. No one wants to hear what you say and you are only making more and more enemies.

Can't you see Mir is trying to get into Kongo's head. Of course you are gonna stand and try to strike with anybody. Test the waters...then if you can't stand with a guy you take him down. But the threat of a knockout has to be there for takedowns to be effective. If you think Mir himself actually thinks he's at Kongos lever as a striker than you are extremely gullable.

What enemies are you talking about? Make enemies with who? what's your point.
Unless of course you are talking about those 5 UFC fighters that Mir needed a total ONE round to beat all five! Yes He beat them all in a total of 5:15.
The Man speaks his mind. Eveybody jumps all over him. He actually has some good points if you don't get caught up in the Mir hating.

[KnowledgeKnown]

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I do believe Brock can beat Fedor. i'm not going to apologize for that.

now you say:
What happens to wrestlers on the ground with Fedor? There is quite a history of this to take from.

Please tell me you are not refering to Coleman and randleman as the wrestlers.

Brock is in a differnet league when It comes to controlling a persons body and Wrestling alltogether.

you said it perfect yourself:

When he was hit hard by both Mir and Randy, he resorted to his wrestling to get the takedown right away.

That's the right thing to do. ANY Champion will tell you that!
Dedor himself when rocked grabs you and takles you down. It's what you should do!

That being said..wasn't it a right hand that ended Coutures night? He never recovered from that right hand and got donkey konged.

Remember that Brock jsut might have a gameplan...jsut maybe.

Ummm what do you base your opinion about Brock's level of control on? Are you assuming Brock's wrestling is better than Coleman's ? Or the person I thought of immediately actually was Lindland. You know the silver medalist. Let me assure you Brock's wrestling isn't near Lindland's. Now we may discount his size compared to Brock's, but Lindland controlled Rampage much of the time in their fight.

Coleman is closer to Brock's size and was also the NCAA champion and went on to place 7th in the 92 olympics. Take it from someone who's been through it. Highschool wrestling to college. Big transition. College to Olympics...uh huge. I couldn't make the transition from college wrestler to Olympic tryouts, and I was ranked at one point.

I would argue that Coleman when he first fought Fedor in 2004 was as effective in MMA wrestling as Brock but had a problem with fighters fluent in subs. I believe Brock would have this same problem with Fedor.

By the way, your point about getting hit hard and resorting to the takedown, you made my point. Yes i'm aware that at that point you go for the takedown, after all it's what I teach fighters right now, however, do you dispute that Fedor hits harder than both Mir and Randy? You see it was the first truly clean shot from Frank Mir that looked like it rocked Lesnar. He didn't swing back, he went right for the takedown. What if it was a shot from Fedor? I would argue that he couldn't take Fedor down that easily in that same situation. Fedor is much stronger than Mir, and it's my contention that Fedor transitions into submissions better than Mir. (it was a knee from Mir so i'll concede to that point but a punch from Randy that didn't look to have that much behind it)

Neither Mir nor Couture are one punch KO artists, yet I felt Brock was in danger on his feet against them. Fedor CAN deliver a one punch KO.

And for the Record, I do believe that Lesnar is the only danger to Fedor, but I just don't think he's developed enough yet. I actually think it's absurd and insulting to the sport of MMA to believe that a guy training and fighting for this short amount of time can beat the best HW in the last 10 years.

I have no dog in this race, and don't truly care very much about this, because it will never happen. But it's a spirited debate.

[gersb260]

The main thing people are failing to mention is that he said he's going to stand and trade with Kongo. If that happens, good night Frank

[nezlam1]

"Not really, the UFC have been good to me over the years, I don't see any reason for me to leave or go elsewhere. I want that rematch with Brock before I even think that far down the line."

Mir talks a lot of crap about Fedor not wanting to fight the best, I'd like to see Mir sign a deal with SF and fight Fedor. The UFC's arrogance gets on my nerves. If Fedor won't come to you then go to him and prove that your the best by fighting the best HW in the world.

[KnowledgeKnown]

Originally Posted by gersb260

The main thing people are failing to mention is that he said he's going to stand and trade with Kongo. If that happens, good night Frank

Don't they all say that?