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[Leucoethiops]

Shields wouldn't even get a takedown...

No lie.

GSP would keep it on the feet; Shields wouldn't make it out of the 2nd round.

[goodtimes]

Jake Shields has finished 8 of his last 9 fights, 6 of them in the first round. Everyone is raving about Paul Daley now that he KO'd Kampmann, even though Shields dominated him and subbed him in the 2nd round. GSP has finished 4 of his last 9 fights, and was KO'd himself in one of them. I guess people only remember Shields' last fight, but they don't realize that GSP pretty much did the same thing to Miller that Shields did to him when they fought.

I personally think Shields has a big mouth, and don't really like him that much, but wow the amount of hate towards him on this forum is unreal. At least respect the guys skills, Robbie Lawlor is a lot more dangerous imo then Thiago Alves. Shields already has a win over Fitch in a submissions wrestling tournament, which I think everyone would agree is both of their strengths. I think right now this is the best fight in MMA at WW.

[fishy]

Originally Posted by Leucoethiops

Shields wouldn't even get a takedown...

No lie.

GSP would keep it on the feet; Shields wouldn't make it out of the 2nd round.

I agree. Shields' lethargic attempt at a takedown may give GSP that first flying knee KO of his career and even if he manages to get his hands on GSP he's not going to be able to overpower him and grind him out like he usually does. This fight will most likely end up staying on the feet, although Shields has good striking defense it would do him no good against GSP because he has no striking abilities. If anyone believes Shields will actually tap GSP, they're dreaming, Shields has yet to tap any top level fighter with even mediocre jj skills (and yes I don't consider Lawler to be a top level fighter)

Originally Posted by goodtimes

Robbie Lawlor is a lot more dangerous imo then Thiago Alves.

I know that Alves' abilities are a little inflated BUT Lawler at his best is no where near Alves...Lawler has to be top 3 out of the most over-rated mma fighters right now

[andone8170]

I want to see the fight. I hope jake improves his striking...we all agree he has room for improvement.. He is a tough game fighter though...I do not think GSP would run through Lawler, and Okami. So if Jake can beat those two guys at higher weights, I think he can survive with GSP.

I think Shields vs Fitch would be a good fight to watch...Fitch gets way too much credit...He needs to fight Alves when thiago comes back...I think Thiago is going to win impressively!

[cnlclink]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

GSP has finished 4 of his last 9 fights, and was KO'd himself in one of them. I guess people only remember Shields' last fight, but they don't realize that GSP pretty much did the same thing to Miller that Shields did to him when they fought.

Ok, not going to comment on the Miller/GSP fight since I don't remember it well enough however that was quite a while ago.

GSP's last 8 fights since they are the only one's I can think of off the top of my head have been against
Alves-utter domination (not just laying on him, he dropped Alves twice at least, almost finished with chokes a couple times)
Penn-utter domination and Penn's corner threw the towel in after the 4th round
Fitch-utter domination, dropped Fitch a couple times and beat the hell out of him the rest of the fight
Serra-avenged his loss against Serra in Montreal by beating the snot out of him then bashing his ribs to finish the fight
Hughes-interm title shot, caused Hughes to verbally tap to a fantastic looking armbar
Koscheck-coming off his loss to Serra I will concede a little however he tried to finish the fight though that fight seems to be widly considered as a lay and pray victory
Serra-lost to Serra by tko
Hughes-ko'ed Hughes with beautiful kick in 3rd round I believe after almost finishing him before the end of the second.

So out of 8 he lost one that was avenged and the only fight remotely boring was the Koscheck win. Fitch and Alves had their asses handed to them but just because he didn't finish them doesn't mean it was boring or lay and pray.
So out of 8 fights he won 7. Finished 4 in specactular fashion and pummelled two more into oblivion. I certainly do not find that to be boring. Also consider that he was fighting title shots in all those except Koscheck fight. Hughes in his prime when GSP fought him was definitly top 10, Alves, Fitch Penn, all top 10. Where was Miller do you think when Shield's beat him? What about Daley?

My point is that St. Pierre does not just lay and pray to his victories.

[kabenjis]

Saying he's the best guy GSP hasnt faced isnt saying anything at all. Fitch and Alves would both tear Shields apart. I'd rather see Shields and Josh Kos go at it. And I hate Kos! After watching Shields and Mayhem, there is no way that he would stand a chance against GSP. And someone said GSP would win 6 or 7 outta 10? Is that a joke? His BJJ is that much worse than Shields? You gotta be kidding me. Who has Jake actually beaten? Mayhem, Robbie Lawler, Paul Daley....not exactly a whos who of MMA. GSP has beat the best. Shields is lucky to not have to face him!

[snakerattle79]

the thing is fighters who is one dimensional but has the skills to submit and control the fight like Shields and Aoki can beat top level well rounded fighters. Aoki beat JZ, Hansen and Alvarez using just his submissions attacks and grappling control

[macewen]

Originally Posted by cnlclink

Ok, not going to comment on the Miller/GSP fight since I don't remember it well enough however that was quite a while ago.

GSP's last 8 fights since they are the only one's I can think of off the top of my head have been against
Alves-utter domination (not just laying on him, he dropped Alves twice at least, almost finished with chokes a couple times)
Penn-utter domination and Penn's corner threw the towel in after the 4th round
Fitch-utter domination, dropped Fitch a couple times and beat the hell out of him the rest of the fight
Serra-avenged his loss against Serra in Montreal by beating the snot out of him then bashing his ribs to finish the fight
Hughes-interm title shot, caused Hughes to verbally tap to a fantastic looking armbar
Koscheck-coming off his loss to Serra I will concede a little however he tried to finish the fight though that fight seems to be widly considered as a lay and pray victory
Serra-lost to Serra by tko
Hughes-ko'ed Hughes with beautiful kick in 3rd round I believe after almost finishing him before the end of the second.

So out of 8 he lost one that was avenged and the only fight remotely boring was the Koscheck win. Fitch and Alves had their asses handed to them but just because he didn't finish them doesn't mean it was boring or lay and pray.
So out of 8 fights he won 7. Finished 4 in specactular fashion and pummelled two more into oblivion. I certainly do not find that to be boring. Also consider that he was fighting title shots in all those except Koscheck fight. Hughes in his prime when GSP fought him was definitly top 10, Alves, Fitch Penn, all top 10. Where was Miller do you think when Shield's beat him? What about Daley?

My point is that St. Pierre does not just lay and pray to his victories.

Very good points...only thing is, finished hughes in the second, after almost finishing him in the first with superman/hook combo.

[Mirko45]

I love how Jake Shields goes to decision for the first time in like 3 years against a notoriously hard to finish fighter and suddenly he is a the worst l'n'p fighter of all time

[fishy]

Originally Posted by Mirko45

I love how Jake Shields goes to decision for the first time in like 3 years against a notoriously hard to finish fighter and suddenly he is a the worst l'n'p fighter of all time

Yes and in the last three years he has only faced 3 top level fighters who he wasn't expected to beat which were Condit, Okami and Miller--he won all 3 where he grinded out a decision and not to mention the Okami fight was bs where he clearly lost.