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[willpunisher]

alright think about it. ever since pride ended and all their BIG names like big shogun, fedor, cro cop and wandy left they have their shows with Dream and Sengoku. sure they got their guys minowaman, aoki, sakurai and all but a foreign like fedor, cro cop, wandy they don't have it anymore.

they are left with Obbbbereem... who is bigger than he ever been before in PRIDE and have devastating punches and knees.

like fedor he had his weak opponents, zuluzinho, herring, lindland, choi... those guys had no business going up against fedor. they had no chance. yet i see them putting them against fedor just for the show and man handling. and they wanted to have a big bad dude on their show that destroyed everyone and put asses on the seats.

Ooooobereem started OK at pride. his first 6 fights in Pride he won, than he lost to Chuck at the tournament.. he bounced back and won 3 after that. than lost to lil nog. all his wins before than was to nobodies. than he impress and chokes out belfort and igor vovchansomething.. than he loses again to a big name from shogun. after won 4 fights and the only big name out of those were Sergei Kharitonov.. than loses to all the big names werdum, nog, shogun, arona.

Pride folds.. all the big names go to ufc and pride. he goes to lil strikeforce at the time and wins the belt. he than goes to Dream and is matched up against weak guys and old guys now. sure Dream dont have big HW names so they put him against the old guys who used to bring people in.. Hunt, Cro Cop, Goodridge, Tae, Thompson, and Fujita.. he wins impressively but come on all Hunt, Cro Cop, Fujita and Goodridge are not the same guys as they were years ago.

fact is, Japan needed a new foreign they could use to bring the japanese crowd to watch. A BIG guy who is powerful. Ooooooobeeeereeemm is just that. Is Obereem powerful and big? yes he is. He is a big name. Is he fighting real competition? no, not since shogun, arona, nog, werdum...

people say he is dodging the US cuz of the better guys and getting caught with steroids... If you were a big name in japan making the shit load of money that he is making and being undefeated for almost 3 years now would you want to go to the US and fight Brock, Big Nog, Kongo, Mir. Fedor or Werdum again? I wouldn't.. would you wan to get caught for steroids IF you were using it? i wouldn't.. i would keep my ass in japan. Which is smart of him in my point of view.

I dont know if he is or isn't steroids but you just DONT get that big from horse meat and eating 7x a day. you get big but not as huge as he got in the last few years. Point is, he never beat and big names at LHW back in pride. Now he is just big and strong, doesn't mean he is a better fighter. He is only a beast now at HW cuz he is fighting old guys. So he stays in Japan and becomes a huge star wining against the big name who were a somebody before. And keeps on collecting the game that japan gives him. If he goes to fight in strikeforce or ufc same will happen before he will lose to all the big names.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Overeem is an interesting fighter because he's never really been in there and impressed against a top flight opponent at HW and when he did last face a legit HW(Kharitonov) he lost.

His size and the innuendo which can be drawn from it just make him feel less legitimate than your Fedor or Nog and it doesn't feel like they're all to interested in really giving him those challenges.. He's an awesome fighter to watch and he's spectacularly entertaining, but at this point, he's a professional can killer. Kicking the living shit outta Fujita, Thompson and Hunt just doesn't make you "great" and in this instance, Overeem can demolish thirty thousand cans, but it doesn't prove much to me.

This is very similar to Sakuraba, Tamura, Sanae Kikuta and Funaki, whereby they'd rather feed them impressive wins, rather than see them truly challenges and potentially lose.

If they can provide Arlovski, Monson, Aleks, Big Foot, Rogers, Barnett and Fedor for him to challenge, Overeem has potential to truly establish a legacy and make himself a main event superstar. He's a draw right now, but nothing like Crocop in his prime was and if he wants to last, he'll need to pick up the quality of opponent.

[fishy]

Originally Posted by willpunisher

I dont know if he is or isn't steroids but you just DONT get that big from horse meat and eating 7x a day. you get big but not as huge as he got in the last few years. Point is, he never beat and big names at LHW back in pride. Now he is just big and strong, doesn't mean he is a better fighter. He is only a beast now at HW cuz he is fighting old guys. So he stays in Japan and becomes a huge star wining against the big name who were a somebody before. And keeps on collecting the game that japan gives him. If he goes to fight in strikeforce or ufc same will happen before he will lose to all the big names.

I don't understand why it is so hard for people to believe that he can gain that much muscle mass in three years. I gained 20 pounds in a matter of 2 months just by increasing my heavy lifting and eating 4-5 meals a day. Granted, that about only 5 of those pounds were actual muscle, putting on 5 pounds of muscle in 2 months is a lot. If I can put on that kind of weight, I'm positive that Overeem, a professional fucking athlete, in 3 years would be able to put on the weight he has. But having said that, who knows may be he is on steroids.......

I think Overeem will be much better at HW. He's faster and more agile then the HWs right now. He's definitely improved his kickboxing and carries a lot of power and strength. I believe that he is milking Japan for as much as he can right now and will be back to prove himself in SF. I think aside from Fedor, he beats Rodgers, Werdum, Lashley and Big foot

[beau420]

No one ever mentions his fight against the headhunter that won him the belt. 220 lbs Overeem and 250 lbs Buentello. I rewatched the fight and I was most impressed by Overeem's takedown skills. Buentello seemed slower than normal, but considering Buentello's previous 4 opponents were cans (Abbott and Ruben Villareal and Carter Williams and Gilbert Aldana)

Don't forget that Mark Hunt did beat Wanderlei Silva and Cro Cop by split decision and TKO'd Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (the man who 'beat' Fedor), then Barnet and/or Fedor broke Hunt before he faced Overeem and by this time everyone knew the chink in his armor, take him down and sub him.

Now, Overeem's jaw is still questionable in my opinion, since his guillotine fest, he has only been submitted by Fabricio Werdum, which is pretty damn good.

Fighting these cans lets him stand and bang and hopefully doesn't give him a false sense of security. But if he wants, I think he can fight smart, either jab on the outside, or clinch and work knees or go for the takedown....then he really doesn't have to worry about his jaw.

I'm saying, you don't have to be the greatest fighter to be a champ. If you use your skills, and have a gameplan you can win. Even with all this extra 30 lbs of muscle he has since he won the championship, the only way I see Overeem being successful fighting in the US (where the competition will be tougher....I guarantee that) that is, if he fights smart and fights to his strengths.

I'd like to see Overeem lose, but don't forget it was about a year and a half ago when Dana White was inviting Overeem to UFC events and trying to get him to sign...and I don't feel like hearing Dana talk more trash about Strikeforce or about Overeem beating cans, even though it again will make Dana be a hypocrite.

[Sniggles]

Overeem is top of the middle tier.

[The Sensational One]

I think that is what he is doing and it def. is smart of him to stay over there and make money. Im not the biggest AO fan but the guy is smart, his name is a draw over there and whats that old saying if it an't broke don't fix it? Why risk it against top tier fighters like Fedor, Brock, Werdum, ect. Maybe he can win against some of the top fighters but why risk it, he is making good money doing what he is doing.

Oh, Fishy, it is hard to belive because of how much he gained in so short of a time. There was no 3 years, in 11/16/07 he weighed 224lbs at 12/31/08 he weighed 253 lbs. So it wasn't three years it was one and im sure you did gain 5 lbs in 2 months i also gained 15 lbs in 1 month using a weight gainer but not nearly in muscle maybe around 5 lbs. But from 09/23/08 to 12/31/08 he gained 12 lbs of muscle. He is not going through puberty either i suppose so where all this testosterone comes from idk, maybe he has alot and eats good idk all that is clear is that is abnormal and should be noted.

[CJRockstar]

Originally Posted by fishy

I don't understand why it is so hard for people to believe that he can gain that much muscle mass in three years. I gained 20 pounds in a matter of 2 months just by increasing my heavy lifting and eating 4-5 meals a day. Granted, that about only 5 of those pounds were actual muscle, putting on 5 pounds of muscle in 2 months is a lot. If I can put on that kind of weight, I'm positive that Overeem, a professional fucking athlete, in 3 years would be able to put on the weight he has. But having said that, who knows may be he is on steroids.......

I think Overeem will be much better at HW. He's faster and more agile then the HWs right now. He's definitely improved his kickboxing and carries a lot of power and strength. I believe that he is milking Japan for as much as he can right now and will be back to prove himself in SF. I think aside from Fedor, he beats Rodgers, Werdum, Lashley and Big foot

it doesnt help that Overeem's Gym of choice has been recently branded a 'hot zone' for steroids. They pretty much just keep steroid candy necklaces on there and eat them as needed.

[KevoOnTheRadio]

Originally Posted by CJRockstar

it doesnt help that Overeem's Gym of choice has been recently branded a 'hot zone' for steroids. They pretty much just keep steroid candy necklaces on there and eat them as needed.

Holy shit that is a funny mental image....AO on a treadmill with a steroid candy necklace. I don't like to accuse people of steroid use when they havent been busted. I dont think its fair to the athlete, who weather or not they use steroids, is still busting their ass in the gym. BUT do I think in my gut he's roiding? Oh yea. everytime I see the guy he looks bigger and bigger. Last night, I couldn't believe how big he had gotten. I think if he fights Fedor in Japan, he can win. In the states, Fedor takes it.

[rivethead]

Kimbo should really invest in Japanese lessons. I hear the Rosetta Stone stuff is fairly reasonable.

rh

[UFC Fann]

Well whenever his name is mentioned on a upcoming card, I already want to see him demolish whoever they put in front of him. But honestly they need to step up his competition. Man that knee that Fujita ate was F'in bruuuuutal, no idea why he kept puttin his head down for 4 consecutive times where Overeem could easily take advantage of his length.

IMO hes a great fighter to watch and puts people in seats. And hes a freakin beastly fighter.