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[Chillzone]

Originally Posted by fishy

It's funny, UFC is stealing money from their fans by overcharging the ppv's and the fans fight back with illegal streams

I don't see how the UFC is stealing money from their fans by charging 50 bucks per Pay Per View. You win some and you lose some. Some of the less star powered events turn out to be fucking amazing shows and some of the bigger star PPV's are stink-fests (Silve/Leites, Silva/Cote, Tim Sylvia title fights). As a fight fan, if I don't care enough to drop the 50 bucks on it, then I really didn't care to see it in the first place.

Originally Posted by cjamis000

im gonna go with everyone else and say they need to either put on less shows with more fights for the 50 bucks or lower the price... its just too expensive to buy every ppv they put on.

If I'm having a group of folks over to my house, I'll usually have them pitch in 10 bucks a couple and bring some food. Sometimes, I've had nobody come over and then I had to decide whether or not I really wanted the PPV's. Honestly, what would happen if they raise the price of Milk, Bread, and basic food necessities.

Maybe if Walmart would stop jacking their prices up, then I wouldn't have to shoplift this shit... bunch of fuckers, I swear.

Dana White is not on TV every day saying that if you're a true mma fan, then you'll buy every event he puts on. He's simply making it available for the fans and giving more fighters the chance to stay active and pursuit a full time living as a professional fighter.

[deadstealth]

Dana:
"It's going to be a battle, man. It's going to be a battle, but I'm ready to [expletive] fight. "

"[Piracy] hasn't cost us anything compared to what it's going to cost us to go after these guys." "It's gonna cost us a lot of money, but guess what �" it's gonna cost them a lot of money.
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The problem I have with these quotes is that its like someone told dana why he shouldnt pursue this, and he used that as a reason to pursue it.

What exactly is he going to do? When he says its going to cost "them" a lot of money does he actually mean the end user, who is actually the "pirate"?? When he says pirate in his rant, its as if he has referring to the viewer. This means hundreds of thousands of lawsuits...hes saying he is going to attempt to pay the lawyer fees it takes to prosecute over 100k people...lol. Without him accomplishing that (and maybe even if he does) the demand for signal interception of the ufc will always be there.

If he means that he's going to go after the streaming video providers, all he can do is make it harder for the average internet user to find the addresses of the streams. There will still be software that can be used to view streams even if justin.tv and other public stream sites are taken down. He is going to have a very hard time stopping private streams.

If he means to go as far as shutting down torrent sites, which post the ppv sometimes in under 90 minutes after it ends (which is not a bad delay for perfect quality and free) its the same situation with public and private trackers but worse. The MPAA and RIAC couldnt do it, so what makes dana think he can?? All he can do is get in line and lobby to the isp's and legislation to do something....

And lastly there is this quote from dana:
"You got these websites like Justin.tv, and they pirate all kinds of things. They play all kinds of [expletive] on there. "

That is exactly the kind of talk that goes on when one "pirate" advertises his method of viewing (be it justin.tv or whatever) to the "non-pirate" ; word-for-word. For dana to say hes going to "go after them" and then advertise for one of them (or one of their fronts) is ignorant of him, good for justin.tv (who he is attacking) and laughing stock for "pirators" worldwide.

[KillahKimbo]

they are wasting their time just like the music industry did for years. even if they sue thousands of peoplem thousands more will just stream and download. put the money towards new fighters and production.

[SLM85]

I think they will try it for a year or two and try and see who their can scare out of it but once they realise its not paying off then they will just do it for extreme cases

But i wouldnt want some fucker ripping me off so i do agree with them and yes everyone is saying pay the fighters more i bet UFC will use the idea that piracy is stealing money from the fighters i would laugh at that lol

The UFC dont Deserve to be ripped off like this
The Fighters Deserve more money
UFC Payperview is $50 as well in australia considering its the only major event on a world scale we got it dont bother us to pay that every time but if we had the options of Strikeforce, HDNet all the other choices north america has for MMA i would be the same too

[sikk]

I don't think DW knows much about the internet nor the main sources of piracy and how it all works. Joe Rogan does and has said numerous times "there's no stopping the internet" during shows! The main reason piracy is so rampant is because the main distribution methods source comes out of any jurisdiction that gives a flying hoot. The big players, and there are many, are all located in other countries outside of the US. Unless the WHOLE WORLD decides to be buddy buddy and all cooperate and make laws stopping these sources, it will never end, period.

Now think about how long and what measures it took for the US to step into the middle east and start war. Years and huge disasters against the US. Soooooo....Unless the internet becomes a WMD (weapon of mass destruction) and another country tries to nuke the US through it, people will continue to get shit for free! yay!

[GSPvsSILVA2012]

I've done my share of paying for events and I don't even got a job... I still pay for the really good cards, any with GSP, Rampage or Lesnar....

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by thefirm0

what exactly is their plan? to shut down uncle ronnie's bar and tap in jersey?

It would be impossible for the UFC to do this. Not feasible at all. Their objective is online pirating, however vague that is. Streaming or torrents... or both.

[YukonJordan]

seriously who even watches a stream anyways? If I didn't order the ppv or go to bar to watch I would probably just wait until the high quality version are available to be downloaded. Not that I support that kind of thing. Please don't sue me Dana

[kalebarker]

Originally Posted by Pashak

They should improve a lot their shows if they want that all people pay 50 dollars.
And if they are going to make the same qualities of shows, then they shoudl make the PPVs 5 times cheaper.

Why the hell would they do that? Even cards like 108 like sell hundreds of thousands of PPV's. It would be stupid of them to show less cards and make less money. Also, if they did show less cards it would just lead to fighters used to being a on the main card delegated to the prelims and make it harder to keep them happier.

Originally Posted by fishy

It's funny, UFC is stealing money from their fans by overcharging the ppv's and the fans fight back with illegal streams

How is the UFC stealing? They set a price for a PPV and people willingly buy it. Just because you sometimes end up unsatisfied with the product you get doesn't make it stealing. If you go into a restaurant and order an overpriced meal that turn out to taste like shit is that stealing? No it isn't.

Just because people think PPV's are way over priced, that does not justify watching them illegally. Anybody that is streaming any copyrighted content is and should be at risk of legal action.

Originally Posted by Degenero

It would be impossible for the UFC to do this. Not feasible at all. Their objective is online pirating, however vague that is. Streaming or torrents... or both.

The Ultimate Fighting Championship is battling an Allston bar.

The mixed martial arts organization has sued The Draft and owner Derek Brady for allegedly showing an Oct. 24 pay-per-view fight card without paying a licensing fee.

“This is a situation where a bar has illegally taken our pay-per-view signal without purchasing it through our exclusive closed-circuit providers,” said Lawrence Epstein, the UFC’s general counsel.

Live UFC pay-per-view fights are distributed commercially for approximately $500 to $1,500, depending on the size of the location. The Draft was not on the UFC’s list of paid customers.

An eyewitness verified the bar showed the live event via a laptop computer hooked up to a TV, said Julie Lonstein, another UFC attorney. The UFC has a network of auditors who look for establishments that illegally broadcast its events.

New technologies allow for commercial misuse of residential broadcasting feeds of the fights through the Internet, according to the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Boston yesterday. UFC events are distributed residentially through cable and satellite TV providers.

But Brady’s attorney said he’s “completely without fault.”

“A patron walked into the establishment and . . . downloaded a paid event on their own laptop without any knowledge or permission of the establishment,” attorney Tammy Arcuri said.

The UFC is seeking maximum statutory damages totaling $640,000, plus legal costs.

UFC gets in fight with Hub pub - BostonHerald.com

If you're going to stream you risk legal action and justifiably so. More lawsuits like this are going to happen and I can't have any sympathy for who gets caught.

[Perseus]

Put the energy into getting a Network deal. I used to download ALL of the UFCs but now when they show them on Swedish television I just watch it live instead. The Justin.tv type of streams suck IMO and are not worth it, especially when they go offline right in the middle of a fight.