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[KevoOnTheRadio]

Listen if you're missin' y'all
Swingin' while I'm singin'
Givin' whatcha gettin'
Knowin' what I know
While the Black bands sweatin'
And the rhythm rhymes rollin'
Got to give us what we want
Gotta give us what we need
Our freedom of speech is freedom or death
We got to fight the powers that be
Lemme hear you say
Fight the power

Public Enemy- Fight The Power

[rivethead]

I think the last card I paid for was UFC 86. And I thought it was overpriced even back then, and that the bulk of the fights were mediocre at best. When the UFC started counterprogramming specifically to fuck with Affliction, I decided I'd never pay for another UFC card, and I have no intention of doing so in the future.

I feel Zuffa treats the vast majority of it's fighters like cattle and manipulates many of their elite fighters as well. I'd feel more comfortable paying for cards if fighters were paid more appropriately and treated with the respect they deserve.

With all the hue and cry about loss of millions in revenue and dana gearing up for a "fucking fight" [and that's a graphic illustration of his desperate need to be seen as a fighter, although he can't step into a ring or cage, he's got to go with a team of lawyers and the Fertitta's backing against small time businesses and middle-class individuals] all I can hear now is that hack drummer from Metallica whining about how Napster was taking food out of his kids mouths. Multi-millionaires whining about losing money fails to tug at my heartstrings.

In an ideal sense, capitalism isn't about grossly taking advantage of employees and customers, it's about businesses getting stronger and building a better overall economy through competition...which is not the case at all here. We're getting more and more cards with mediocre fights, we're being sold spin-doctored stories about matchups marketed as #1 contender/best-fighting-the-best bouts when they are clearly just designed simply to sell PPV's and have little or no relation to actual rankings; and the price is going up...not to mention a dedicated pogram to stamp out any alternative to watch MMA that is not UFC licensed.

I think co-promotion is a thorny issue, but I'm in favor of it because I'm concerned that without any checks and balances, 2012 could mean 14 UFC PPV's with the main event the equivalent of GSP/Hardy, with fighters not having alternative orgs to turn to when dana starts frothing at the mouth over some personal vendetta.


The effort and expenditures going into the legal drama could easily be spent elsewhere in the company with greater returns. But under dana, the UFC has been very much focused on sacrificing long-term gains for short-term profit, so I'm unsurprised.

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[dan the man 67]

What I don't understand is how they can threaten the actual viewer with a lawsuit. They're not the ones broadcasting the event.

I can completely understand them going after illegal broadcasters.

[Y2JUBAE]

Easy one for me. I've never been able to get a stream to work. That being said, I have just purchased my last UFC ppv.

Just like when the music industry started suing people, I stopped buying cd's. When Napster was around, I bought more Cd's in the year span that I used napster than I have in my entire life. It was a great way to find new music. Their argument was that they were losing money due to pirating. The truth is, they lost money because they put out shitty music. The internet IS responsible for the decline in music sales but not because of pirating, but because it gave people the chance to hear all of the songs before they purchased the cd. How many times have you bought a cd only to find that there is ONE good song on it?

Now with UFC, i don't think they are "losing" any money because they never had it to begin with and probably never would have. Just because Dana and the F brothers consider 50 bucks pocket change IF THAT, doesn't mean it is. that is a lot of money to the average working person. Now doing up to 2 ppv's a month, people just can't afford it.

To make things worse, sometimes the freaking thing SUCKS! I would consider a crappy ppv reason to be REFUNDED! Why? False advertisement. The fighters come out hyping the fight and ALWAYS say "I'm going to knock him out" or "I'm going to bang" etc. Then, 15 minutes of hugging. Dana hypes it up, every ppv is going to be the greatest somehow... So when they don't deliver what was promised, you should be refunded.

I don't like a corporation that sues its fans and customers. They have been bragging now for a while about how well they are doing, now they are just looking greedy.

With this, I lose all respect for Dana and the UFC and will never purchase another ppv again. Their "Big Brother" attitude doesn't sit well with me at all.

More than likely, people who watch the streams DO buy a ppv here and there as the quality is better I assume. THAT is the LOST money and that is now their fault. They have shot themselves in the foot. This is something that once you do it, you can't go back ever. Just ask Metallica. They did the same thing, saying they "Lost" money, when ironically, the CD they claim to have lost money on, was ripped apart by the fans and deemed them as sellouts. The suing confirmed it.

And Dana's comment about "I'm ready for fucking war".... You are? LOL, when did you get that law degree in which you will use to fight a war in court? Attorney dana white? Oh, you mean you will pay someone to do your dirty work for you.

WELCOME STRIKEFORCE!

Props to Joe Rogan for his realistic stance on it.
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Oh and just for a comparison basis... K-1 puts their fights on youtube for free. UFC sues their fans. billionaires suing people who don't break 30k a year. Just wow.

And what exactly do they need the money for? To pay the fighters a couple grand? LOL. Cheap fucks.

With the way they treat their fighters and now the fans, I'm truly done with the UFC. It appears the UFC is just 3 guys fucking millions.

[Sniggles]

I also love how they are showing half the card on Spike, so if you watch those fights then you basically have to rewatch 2-3 fights. Paying 50 bucks for that, nope. I'll stick with watching it at a bar and getting something for what I pay for.

And yep, I haven't paid for a UFC since UFC 71. I will not pay for one until they are cheaper and start paying fighters a large portion of the profits. But, neither of those will happen in the near future.

[Tyreas]

I just got a cease and desist voicemail yesterday and it was pretty funny.

"Hey we got a call from an anti piracy company and they said you were downloading . Yeah we need you to stop that. If you are on a wireless connection make sure it is secure."

Geeeeee thanks for the slap on the wrist.....I've only been doing it for like 10 years!

[SickNasty]

It's their brand, they can charge whatever they like. Just because we would rather it be cheaper doesn't mean they should or will change the price. If it were your product would you want someone stealing it from you? I doubt it.

[stevequalude]

Well if its a 100 type card ill pay for it ..but if it is a shitter card im gonna watch it ileagealy

[Chillzone]

Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE

I don't like a corporation that sues its fans and customers. They have been bragging now for a while about how well they are doing, now they are just looking greedy.

I'm sorry, but if you are not paying for their product, you're not a customer and wouldn't be considered a fan in their eyes.

I think Dana is a fair businessman when it comes to how he treats his fans and employees. If you watch his video blogs, he was giving left over tickets to the first FANS that visited him after he posted a message on his twitter account. He gave away over 200 tickets FREE! rather than leaving the remaining arena seats empty. He didn't have to do that. As for the fighters? He's paying them fairly in my opinion. Some of the opening card/prelim fighters are making more for one fight and a 3-6 month training camp than I make in an entire year... JUST to fight! I'm not mentioning the bonuses the fighters receive for winning, FOTN, KO, and Subs. The place I work for is using the economy as an excuse to be shitty to their employees and taking away benefits, incentive bonuses, etc.... all while still pulling $1 Billion this past year. Tough times indeed! That means that there were no Christmas bonuses and no quarterly bonuses, but we received a nifty e-card (that actually said they were doing e-cards to save on paper costs). On the inside was a letter from the chairman that expressed his thanks in helping the company acheive all of their goals this past year. They appreciate everything we do.


For as little class as Dana White has, he's in the right in this battle. If anything, he's making it fair for the paying fans. Why should some asswipe who will chat it up in the forums about how shitty the UFC product is be able to see the product FREE through streaming websites while people put their hard earned money down on a pay per view. 50 dollars isn't unreasonable. I believe Wrestlemania was 50 bucks last year right? It had the same fuckers wrestling the same people you see them on Monday nights wrestle in Tag Team Matches. If anything, pirate them. I enjopy buying a fake wrestling pay per view and having family and friends come out to watch on occassion, but if it's something I have no interest in, then I don't buy it or watch it! Period!

Microsoft did the same thing with people downloading STOLEN copies of games. Violators were banned from xboxlive.

[Y2JUBAE]

Originally Posted by Chillzone

I think Dana is a fair businessman when it comes to how he treats his fans and employees. If you watch his video blogs, he was giving left over tickets to the first FANS that visited him after he posted a message on his twitter account. He gave away over 200 tickets FREE! rather than leaving the remaining arena seats empty. He didn't have to do that. As for the fighters? He's paying them fairly in my opinion. Some of the opening card/prelim fighters are making more for one fight and a 3-6 month training camp than I make in an entire year... JUST to fight!

First, the free tickets are so they don't look bad on TV with an empty audience.

Second, I have seen fighters make 1000. If that's all you make in a year, how the fuck did you afford your pc?