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[mmawolverine]

machida is a paper champion... ouch
no disrespect to whoever said that i just think we are being to hard on machida
this fight is wrapped in controversy so can we please stop saying that is wasnt a close fight
when in fact it was a close physical chess match
i think shogun won so do others and probably just as many feel machida won
dana white is a business man with his own perceptive, and his perspective is arguebably the most influential perspectives in ufc and hence zuufa if not all of mma today,
his unique perspective in combination with his power and responsibilities make if impossible for him to ride the fence he will always come off as a polar influence in mma its 50/50 hate him or like him, hes not all bad and not all good and its the middle that people did to see for what it is. by the way i predict that the first three rounds of their rematch with look alot like the first fight meaning i dont think there is alot to change about the fight in terms of strategy and leg kicks were just a part of it and really not the biggest part of it, perhaps machida has met his first great rivalry whats so wrong with that

[Lok Bresnar]

Originally Posted by mmawolverine

machida is a paper champion... ouch
no disrespect to whoever said that i just think we are being to hard on machida
this fight is wrapped in controversy so can we please stop saying that is wasnt a close fight
when in fact it was a close physical chess match
i think shogun won so do others and probably just as many feel machida won
dana white is a business man with his own perceptive, and his perspective is arguebably the most influential perspectives in ufc and hence zuufa if not all of mma today,
his unique perspective in combination with his power and responsibilities make if impossible for him to ride the fence he will always come off as a polar influence in mma its 50/50 hate him or like him, hes not all bad and not all good and its the middle that people did to see for what it is. by the way i predict that the first three rounds of their rematch with look alot like the first fight meaning i dont think there is alot to change about the fight in terms of strategy and leg kicks were just a part of it and really not the biggest part of it, perhaps machida has met his first great rivalry whats so wrong with that

I said it! And I stick by it until he convincingly defeats Shogun Rua in a rematch. As far as I'm concerned, Shogun won that fight handily. The only people who are claiming otherwise are hardcore Machida fans who had to watch the fight several times and try to find some possible way to score the fight for him.
Look at the accounts of Machida fans who are basically dissecting the fight from every jab, punch, leg kick in order to legitimize Machida's win.
The bottom line is when the entire planet watched that fight TOGETHER as it happened LIVE, Nobody on earth had Machida winning that damn fight. Only after he was awarded the decision did the Machida fans spout that he deserved to win.
If Shogun had been given the decision, there would NOT be a single person on this board or any other board or outlet who would disagree with the decision.
Machida is a paper champion and should have done the right thing and handed the belt to Shogun. Machida knew he lost, everybody knew he lost. His mannerisms and instincts post-fight showed he knew he lost.
The Machida era ended as soon as it began. But since the UFC marketed the Machida era so vehemently all this time, it would make them look ridiculous.
Bottom line, Machida was exposed and other fighters who saw the fight are going to realize the strategy to beat him.

[Trojan Fight Club]

Originally Posted by willpunisher

an extra 100 grand.
damn that alone will pay for kid college, bachelor, doctorate in brasil lol and still be money left.

I'm moving to Brazil

[KnowledgeKnown]

I'm starting to be sympathetic toward Dana. No matter what he does, people find a way to demonize it.

[GFB]

As a self professed Dana hater - and I say that as often as I can - it's always nice to see a good story come from him. Even if it is a manufactured story or not, its a feel good one.
Good on you... Douche.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by KnowledgeKnown

I'm starting to be sympathetic toward Dana. No matter what he does, people find a way to demonize it.

Totally agree with you Knowledge, kudos man. Look at it in an optimistic way, if Dana White hadn't of come along and been as successful as he's been then there would be no MMA guy to demonize. People demonize him because of his success, without his success, no one would know who Dana White is.

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by Lok Bresnar

Shogun was screwed and Machida was exposed. Bottom line. Machida is a paper champion.

Machida got exposed? I think that is a bit of an exaggeration. In fact, it is a huge exaggeration. Say Shogun won, say Machida won. Doesn't matter. It was a close fight and the only damage Machida walked out with as a result of the fight was sore legs.

Hardly exposed, sir.

Originally Posted by Lok Bresnar

The Machida era ended as soon as it began. But since the UFC marketed the Machida era so vehemently all this time, it would make them look ridiculous.

Ummm, what? The judges aren't employed by the UFC. What are you talking about? That had no affect on the decision at all. It wasn't the judges giving Machida the decision so the UFC would save face. The judges/refs have nothing to do with the UFC.

[Bizz]

I might bring out the haters for saying this... but Shogun/Machida was the closest thing to a draw as I can think. I mean fighting isnt a game scored in nonarbitrary points that you just add up. No matter how you see the fight I believe it falls in the "too close to call" category.

People that give the fight to Shogun talk about leg kicks, others giving it to Machida will bring up the crisper strikes... I mean come on when it comes down to such little details it is fair, and it should be acceptable, to call it a draw. And thats exactly when a new system with overtime would be so awsome.

... ok so that was off topic. As for Dana, even tho I dont think a promoter should take sides, he showed support to a bummed out Shogun that just saw all of his efforts sum up to nothing in a controversial decision. It might of helped him get over it and get back to training for the rematch, that we'll never know, but since I consider it was a draw he should get his win bonus if Machida got his. In the interest of fairness it was a good move.

[fishy]

Originally Posted by Lok Bresnar

The only people who are claiming otherwise are hardcore Machida fans who had to watch the fight several times and try to find some possible way to score the fight for him.

Although it was a close fight, I actually thought Machida won the first time I watched it. When I heard bitching about the fight, I watched 2 more times and I still thought Machida won...So basically what I'm saying is that your statement is completely wrong.

[bobafett]

i saw this fight on t.v and gave it to machida even though
it was close , not suprisingly the judges agreed and they were
there live,but for dana to come out and say shogun won out
in the open gives a negative feedback and some sort of
disrespect to the machida clan,
instead of all this bitching let him bring back the STOMPS
(shoguns bread and butter)and knees to grounded opponents
head none of which is more traumatizing than a cro cop
head kick