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[notBJpenn]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

Rashad, Rampage, Machida, Shogun, Mousasi RIGHT NOW, all beat the piss out of Forrest because they're better athletes/fighters in MMA, Forrest wins these fights based off of gameplans, intelligence and technique and IMO, that won't be terribly often as time progresses and these fighters evolve.

Just curious as to why you think Rampage would beat the piss out of Forrest all of the sudden?

[lwbrewer]

Originally Posted by notBJpenn

Just curious as to why you think Rampage would beat the piss out of Forrest all of the sudden?

I'm curous also to that. Do I think Rampage has more potential yes, but I think the Hype and the money got to Rampage. Rampage in my mind needs a reason to train hard, and I'll bet he lost the will to do it any more.

[GL Jeff]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

Forrest is absolutely on the borderline of the top tier in my books. He dominated a bad Shogun three years ago and leg kicked Rampage to a title, but he's also been ruined by Anderson and TKO'd quite violently by Rashad. I think of all fighters to be listed in the top of the TOP tier, he's one guy who'll lose more than he'll win.

I've always felt Forrest was a really, REALLY good fighter who came along at a GREAT time wth a GREAT personality and has a GREAT work ethic and gameplan and combined, made for a legendary GREAT MMA competitor, although I don't think he's as talented as others within that top tier. It's not to say he's not top ten, but he's not a champion who'll defend his title several times and always be the favourite to dominate every fight. With Forrest, there's a struggle and he's not a phenom or hurricane of violent proportions who'll destroy a foe. He's technical and intelligent and he wins fights because he's smart. He loses fights when he gets outclassed by better athletes/fighters.

I see him beating within the top ten Vera, Couture, Franklin and maybe T. Silva. Maybe Jardine if you consider him top ten still. Babalu and Jones depends on how they go into the fight moreso than Forrest, but he's probably a favourite.

Rashad, Rampage, Machida, Shogun, Mousasi RIGHT NOW, all beat the piss out of Forrest because they're better athletes/fighters in MMA, Forrest wins these fights based off of gameplans, intelligence and technique and IMO, that won't be terribly often as time progresses and these fighters evolve.

Your logic is so flawed. If Forest's techniques didnt work, he wouldnt have as many wins as he does. He was easily beating Rashad, then he got caught. And in case you didnt see Rashad didnt do amazing in his last fight. And to say Forest couldnt beat Machida, when Machida is also a fighter them tries to implement game plans is funny. It would go alot like Machida's fight with Rua, you know, the one with all those leg kicks. And as for Rua, Shogun looked better in his fight with Forest then he did against Coleman. And Forest outclassed him all three rounds, then chocked him out. And its not like Rua has huge KO power in his hands, and the longer the fight goes, the more it favors Griffin. And who hasnt Anderson made look like a joke? Even after being knocked down, Forest wasnt KO'd, he was knocked down,and tapped. He knew he was beat. Griffin is easily a top LHW, and I think he will be LHW champion again.

[SimpleJack]

A bit of a soft-spot for Forrest, huh......

Forrest is a good, not great fighter. I like him, he's talented, he's likable, he's funny, he works a gameplan well, and he takes a beating well.

That's about it. I think him, Rampage, and Rashad are excellent fighters, but a little below that top pedigree. Granted, they could all hold the title for a fight or two and even knock off most of the other talent available. However, none of them are or will ever be a champion who transcends the division like Chuck (Was), Fedor, Anderson, BJ, Hughes (Was), GSP, etc.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by GL Jeff

Your logic is so flawed. If Forest's techniques didnt work, he wouldnt have as many wins as he does. He was easily beating Rashad, then he got caught. And in case you didnt see Rashad didnt do amazing in his last fight. And to say Forest couldnt beat Machida, when Machida is also a fighter them tries to implement game plans is funny. It would go alot like Machida's fight with Rua, you know, the one with all those leg kicks. And as for Rua, Shogun looked better in his fight with Forest then he did against Coleman. And Forest outclassed him all three rounds, then chocked him out. And its not like Rua has huge KO power in his hands, and the longer the fight goes, the more it favors Griffin. And who hasnt Anderson made look like a joke? Even after being knocked down, Forest wasnt KO'd, he was knocked down,and tapped. He knew he was beat. Griffin is easily a top LHW, and I think he will be LHW champion again.

I'll call Forrest a "great" LHW when he strings together more than two wins straight against top tier competition before getting his ass dummied in convincing fashion. He's resourceful and uses what he's got, but when it comes down to it, he's never going to be a world champion for long.

As far as my flawed logic, I'm attributing his success to his technique and gameplan, not his raw talent or any specific trait that he's five star at. That's not to say it's flawless or unbeatable, just that he goes into a fight so utterly prepared and focused(like Couture), that he wins on account of his intelligent fighting and makes up for his lacking. When he loses(like you so highlighted against Rashad) it was when athleticism came into play that DISRUPTED the gameplan. They don't offset each other.

As far as the Shogun win, Shogun's knee was so effed up that it was a near miracle he fought, but he did and Forrest absolutely owned him, but that was ONE fight, since then he's only beaten Rampage via decision with a fabulously designed gameplan, not his pure MMA greatness. I think Rampage went into that fight thinking he would've beat him down and instead, he got picked apart. The difference between Forrest and Machida is that Machida's a naturally GREAT MMA fighter, so when you add on top of that an intelligent gameplan and marvelous technique, he's nearly unbeatable.

I think alot of Forrest support is akin to Wand support whereby it's based in the heart, not the head. I respect anybody who says I'm wrong and that Forrest's a great fighter who'll be a multiple defense world champ, but I don't think anybody REALLY believes that given that Forrest's talents only exploit fighters and get him so far and I don't think he's got what it takes to really stick in there with the TOP of the top tier. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Lil Nog will embarrass Forrest.

[GSPvsSILVA2012]

Forest will never hold the title again..... Rampage will beat him in the rematch within the next 3 years, you'll see what happens when Jackson doesn't have to fight on one leg. Watch him KO Evans. Theres not a doubt in my mind anymore that Jackson is gonna go on a knockout streak until he reaches Machida, Shogun or Jones.

[notBJpenn]

Originally Posted by GSPvsSILVA2012

Forest will never hold the title again..... Rampage will beat him in the rematch within the next 3 years, you'll see what happens when Jackson doesn't have to fight on one leg.

Whats to say Forrest doesn't just destroy that leg again? Yeah the rematch may play out differently, but why do you think Forrest would come in with any worse of a gameplan? While Page has been out making movies Forrest has been training.

[GSPvsSILVA2012]

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Originally Posted by GSPvsSILVA2012 View Post
And now mark my words: Bader and Jones are gonna emerge victorious against those two "accomplishment ranked" fighters.

Originally Posted by notBJpenn

I will mark your words, and hold them against you accordingly in time.

Jon Jones WINNER - by TKO 1st round 3:19

Ryan Bader WINNER - by KO 3rd round 2:10

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