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[tig]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Neither does Brock Lesnar.

When you get sick in Canada, they treat you and you get better and it's more or less free. You don't get taxed out the ass, you don't wind up in debt and when you need it, it's there. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But everyone who needs care, gets care and people here aren't judged by paylevel. This is just ignorant, oblivious, elitist, right-winged garbage.

So...you are just as stupid as the other guy who said in Canada you get medical care free? I only asked if his "substandard healthcare" was truly free. You basically said that it was too. Guess you are ignorant about free stuff. Someone is paying, it is not more or less free.

Ignorant, oblivious, elitist, right-winged garbage? So if a man works his ass off and can afford better things, then he is as elitist right winged garbage guy. With that attitude we would all be fat lazy bastards waiting for someone else to give us what everyone else gets.

Sorry dude, you missed it. Go to work and pay for what you get, then you will feel good about it. Don't expect someone to give you what you need. Don't be a drag on society, be productive. Someone has to pay for what you get, but if you work for what you get, you will be able to move out of the government projects.

[Daellusx]

I live in Houston, TX where we have some of the best doctors in the world. Yet there are a couple of hospitals i would hate to go to even for a piss test because of how crappy they are.

Saying that 1 hospital makes an entire countrys medical system the best or worst is just ignorant.

[Nauner]

Originally Posted by tig

Free? Do the people doing the medical jobs in Canada not charge anything for their services? They do it for fun or what? Or do you mean that everyone pays through taxes so you just consider it free? We don't pay to drive on the roads everytime we use them, but the roads are not free, we pay for them through taxes. And since most governments are alot worse at business practices than the private sector, then anything the government provides is much more expensive in the long run.

Are you sure the substandard medical services you get are completely and utterly free? My bet is they are not.

No, they aren't absolutely free. I can tell you that if my appendix bursts I'm not going to be walking out of the hospital with a $40k medical bill. In fact, I won't be walking out with any type of bill.

The Canadian health care system is pretty good. I'll agree with GL Jeff that it wasn't in a major city either. My grandfather got sent home being told he had heartburn when he was having a heart attack and eventually had to go to Ottawa to get proper treatment and he had no problems with the diagnosis there.

I don't know much about the health care system in the US but how great would his care have been if he 1) was not wealthy and 2) had a "pre-existing condition" that prevented him from getting insurance. I`m guessing that he would have ended up with a medical bill that would have been hard to pay off.

[grambino]

Originally Posted by Nauner

No, they aren't absolutely free. I can tell you that if my appendix bursts I'm not going to be walking out of the hospital with a $40k medical bill. In fact, I won't be walking out with any type of bill.

The Canadian health care system is pretty good. I'll agree with GL Jeff that it wasn't in a major city either. My grandfather got sent home being told he had heartburn when he was having a heart attack and eventually had to go to Ottawa to get proper treatment and he had no problems with the diagnosis there.

I don't know much about the health care system in the US but how great would his care have been if he 1) was not wealthy and 2) had a "pre-existing condition" that prevented him from getting insurance. I`m guessing that he would have ended up with a medical bill that would have been hard to pay off.

He would have had a medical bill that would have been hard to payoff for sure, but like most he wouldn't have paid it. He also would have not been turned away at an emergency anywhere in the US and he would have received the best medical treatment IN THE WORLD! It's really foolish to think that since you don't receive a bill when you leave the hospital that you don't pay for it. I guess you don't pay for bridges, roads, schools etc either. They all just magically appear.

[Nate_Deezy]

Originally Posted by tig

So...you are just as stupid as the other guy who said in Canada you get medical care free? I only asked if his "substandard healthcare" was truly free. You basically said that it was too. Guess you are ignorant about free stuff. Someone is paying, it is not more or less free.

Ignorant, oblivious, elitist, right-winged garbage? So if a man works his ass off and can afford better things, then he is as elitist right winged garbage guy. With that attitude we would all be fat lazy bastards waiting for someone else to give us what everyone else gets.

Sorry dude, you missed it. Go to work and pay for what you get, then you will feel good about it. Don't expect someone to give you what you need. Don't be a drag on society, be productive. Someone has to pay for what you get, but if you work for what you get, you will be able to move out of the government projects.

No offense, but you are a fucking retard.

Work harder? Do you think corporate executives work harder than construction workers or farmers? And who has better insurance? Corporate execs for sure. People should be entitled to health care. If I have to pay a few extra dollars on my taxes every year so that everyone can receive good medical treatment, then so be it. If you consider human beings to be your most promising and precious resource, then providing health care to your country should be expected.

And guess what? I'm going to med school. As a future doctor, I consider it my job to treat people, not make a fuck ton of money by being a dirty, underhanded capitalist puppet.

[braddahmatt]

wow look at all the canadians getting all defensive... its clear as day what the education level is on this board with people actually believing everything is free...

educate yourselves... seriously.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by braddahmatt

wow look at all the canadians getting all defensive... its clear as day what the education level is on this board with people actually believing everything is free...

educate yourselves... seriously.

Canadians get defensive when people talk when they clearly have zero insight on an issue we clearly know more about. I've had knee scopes and hernia operations and various other ailments over the years and the most expensive thing to pay for is hospital parking.

It's not a perfect system, there are some real long waitingrooms, but it's not like we walk out thinking "it's FREE", we don't pay when we need it because it's just part of our society's foundation and for the most part, it's a positive.

[grambino]

Originally Posted by Nate_Deezy

No offense, but you are a fucking retard.

Work harder? Do you think corporate executives work harder than construction workers or farmers? And who has better insurance? Corporate execs for sure. People should be entitled to health care. If I have to pay a few extra dollars on my taxes every year so that everyone can receive good medical treatment, then so be it. If you consider human beings to be your most promising and precious resource, then providing health care to your country should be expected.

And guess what? I'm going to med school. As a future doctor, I consider it my job to treat people, not make a fuck ton of money by being a dirty, underhanded capitalist puppet.

As a medical student you of all people should know that a state run medical system would end in complete failure and wouldn't provide the hopefull result. As a person who owns a business that tries to create opportunities for people with developmental disabilities I am reminded daily of the failures of Government run programs in this country. I think our system of health care could be tweaked for sure, but it's still the best anywhere. I'm sure you've had to renew your drivers license or deal with a Government run agency at times in your life. That alone should scare the hell out of you when you consider that same quality being put behind health care. This is not a political forum so I'll stop and apologize for hijacking the thread.

[GL Jeff]

Originally Posted by grambino

As a medical student you of all people should know that a state run medical system would end in complete failure and wouldn't provide the hopefull result. As a person who owns a business that tries to create opportunities for people with developmental disabilities I am reminded daily of the failures of Government run programs in this country. I think our system of health care could be tweaked for sure, but it's still the best anywhere. I'm sure you've had to renew your drivers license or deal with a Government run agency at times in your life. That alone should scare the hell out of you when you consider that same quality being put behind health care. This is not a political forum so I'll stop and apologize for hijacking the thread.

It works for almost every other country in the world. But your right, the US would crumble, only because your country is to reliant on it. For every person that becomes rich one becomes poor.

[kickass32]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Neither does Brock Lesnar.

When you get sick in Canada, they treat you and you get better and it's more or less free. You don't get taxed out the ass, you don't wind up in debt and when you need it, it's there. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But everyone who needs care, gets care and people here aren't judged by paylevel. This is just ignorant, oblivious, elitist, right-winged garbage.

I agree, except for the highlighted part......Mr Mcguinty has made sure we get taxed out of our asses....but that is another debate altogether... lol

So true about the most expensive thing being the paying for parking at the hospital!!!