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[moonrocker]

I hope rashad learned his lesson when he got goated by thiago silva into a boxing match in the final round of their fight....rashad is not as a good striker as he think he might be, and it is not a game he'll want to play with rampage. But I think rashad can pull out the win, by staying busy like he always does, creating openings through angles and using his superior wrestling skills. I wouldn't expect the most exciting fight out of this, and honestly it has kind of lost its luster to me a bit.

Masscore....I think you're spot on...a thiago silva and rampage match up would be rad. I would rank that right up there with shogun vs anderson silva...love to see it happen.

[PARTS DEPARTMENT]

PAGE BY KO ON THE FEET.
EVANS BY BORING BOOOOOOO DEC. ON THE GROUND.
STAND AND BANG!!!

(hey page if he kicks you lift your leg a little. called checking.your still grounded enough to get the ko.and hold a prayer for your friend bisping.)

[moonrocker]

if they stand and bang, evan's head will land somewhere in first 5 rows. the only way evans wins is by boring decision via ground humping. Evans is not going to jeopardize contender status to trade with rampage. this is why i think it's going to be a somewhat boring fight.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by Masscore

If Evan's chin is shot because of Machida, then Rampage's should be gone because of Wandy (2x) and Shogun. That is where your logic is faulty. Machida is a far better striker then Rampage and lands a lot more strikes in a fight then Rampage could ever dream of. Machida would do the same exact thing, if not worse to Rampage because Rampage has no movement now.

Rampage is a better boxer then Evans, I will give you that any day. But thats where it ends. Evans is a far better kick boxer (Rampage I think has honestly thrown two kicks in his entire UFC Career). Evans is also a far better wrestler. Evans has far better movement then Rampage as well, as Rampage basically likes to take the center of the octagon and stand there and bang. If you watch his fights, Rampage has only recently been able to KO guys that stand in front of him (Liddell and Wandy). Guys that move around and work angles give Rampage fits (Forrest and Jardine).

Rampage is kind of becoming a Tyson like fighter. He forgets what got him to the point he is at now (wrestling and good movement) and has fallen in love with his one punch KO power. Rampage is never going to find a home for that power because speed trumps power almost every time. Hard to land the big KO shot when what you are swinging at is no longer there.

Rampage is: 30-7-0
Now in my opinion Rampage has never had superb movement and hes never been all that fast. What he does have however has worked amazingly for him:

- Power
- Good chin
- Experience
- Good boxing
- Good grappling (Henderson fight)
- Good take down defense


- Rashad on the other hand is not a good kick boxer.
- Rashad has only shown effective leg kicks in 1 fight where he knocked out Sean Salmon.
- The few times hes fought good competition he either barely won or almost got knocked out. Forest Griffin was kicking his ass almost the entire fight, rusty Chuck Liddel was kicking his ass, and he was losing to Tito Ortiz. Thiago Silva almost knocked him out in the 3rd round.
- Rashad has speed and good wrestling all which will be negated by Rampage's
power and good takedown defense. Rashad won't do any better than Kevin Randleman whom is a two time Division I NCAA Champion and in my opinion a much better wrestler than Rashad.

If Rashad follows the gameplan used by Forest Griffin hes getting knocked out. Forest Griffin is superb at leg kicks and has the height and technique to get away with it. Even Forest got knocked on his ass and Page still put up a good fight even on 1 leg.

If Rashad follows his game plan that he used against Thiago the fight will look like this: YouTube - Kevin Randleman Vs Quinton Rampage Jackson

Sorry mate but Rashad is getting KTFO by one of the strongest punchers in MMA history.

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

Rampage is: 30-7-0
Now in my opinion Rampage has never had superb movement and hes never been all that fast. What he does have however has worked amazingly for him:

- Power
- Good chin
- Experience
- Good boxing
- Good grappling (Henderson fight)
- Good take down defense


- Rashad on the other hand is not a good kick boxer.
- Rashad has only shown effective leg kicks in 1 fight where he knocked out Sean Salmon.
- The few times hes fought good competition he either barely won or almost got knocked out. Forest Griffin was kicking his ass almost the entire fight, rusty Chuck Liddel was kicking his ass, and he was losing to Tito Ortiz. Thiago Silva almost knocked him out in the 3rd round.
- Rashad has speed and good wrestling all which will be negated by Rampage's
power and good takedown defense. Rashad won't do any better than Kevin Randleman whom is a two time Division I NCAA Champion and in my opinion a much better wrestler than Rashad.

If Rashad follows the gameplan used by Forest Griffin hes getting knocked out. Forest Griffin is superb at leg kicks and has the height and technique to get away with it. Even Forest got knocked on his ass and Page still put up a good fight even on 1 leg.

If Rashad follows his game plan that he used against Thiago the fight will look like this: YouTube - Kevin Randleman Vs Quinton Rampage Jackson

Sorry mate but Rashad is getting KTFO by one of the strongest punchers in MMA history.

So lets just get this straight, you are comparing Kevin Randleman's MMA ability to Rashad Evans' MMA ability? I just wanted to make sure before he keep going.

First off that comparison, while I understand why you might think it, is way off. Evans is a better striker then Randleman so Rampage never had to worry about Randleman standing and only had to worry about takedowns. Evans could possibly stay standing the whole time with Rampage and outpoint him. So right there is a major flaw in that thinking.

You argument about Power negating Speed makes no sense. Time and time again in all combat sports (Boxing, Kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ, you can pretty much name it) speed has beaten power.

And I will give you all those points about Rampage, I am not arguing any of them. He has all those things you listed. But the only one he uses now is Power/Good Chin. If he used his good takedowns and grappling, Rampage would still be champion probably. So you can actually throw the takedowns and grappling out the door because Rampage is not about to take anyone down anymore.

Also, did you even watch Liddell v. Evans? How was Liddell kicking his ass? Did Liddell win the first round, yea he did. But it was not like he knock Evans down and blooded him up. It was a fairly close round that Liddell only won because Evans used it to set him up in round 2. Remember, Evans sat back the entire time and waited for Liddell to come in so he could counter. Ortiz v. Evans was almost 3 years ago back when Ortiz mattered and Evans was an up and comer. I will give you Thiago's 3rd round against Evans, but at the same as I mentioned earlier in this thread I believe Thiago is a heavier hitter then Rampage at this point. Just watch the Jardine fight, Rampage hit him clean a few times and Jardine never was shut down. Thiago shut Jardine down before the 2 min mark. Also in the last 4 years, Rampage has only KOed 3 people (Eastman, Liddell and Wandy).

Finally, Rampage is about as mentally tough as a grade schooler. He looks like he is walking around at 250 at the moment, he has not fought in a while and I truly do not think he wants to fight anymore. He is only taking this fight to save face because he has been called out non-stop now for several months.

[Mr.Gummy]

Originally Posted by moonrocker

if they stand and bang, evan's head will land somewhere in first 5 rows. the only way evans wins is by boring decision via ground humping. Evans is not going to jeopardize contender status to trade with rampage. this is why i think it's going to be a somewhat boring fight.

I think he wants to beat Rampage more than he's concerned about his contendership. So it will be an exciting emotional fight!

And RD, did you just say page is one of the strongest punchers in mma HISTORY????? gosh!

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by Masscore

So lets just get this straight, you are comparing Kevin Randleman's MMA ability to Rashad Evans' MMA ability? I just wanted to make sure before he keep going.

First off that comparison, while I understand why you might think it, is way off. Evans is a better striker then Randleman so Rampage never had to worry about Randleman standing and only had to worry about takedowns. Evans could possibly stay standing the whole time with Rampage and outpoint him. So right there is a major flaw in that thinking.

You argument about Power negating Speed makes no sense. Time and time again in all combat sports (Boxing, Kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ, you can pretty much name it) speed has beaten power.

And I will give you all those points about Rampage, I am not arguing any of them. He has all those things you listed. But the only one he uses now is Power/Good Chin. If he used his good takedowns and grappling, Rampage would still be champion probably. So you can actually throw the takedowns and grappling out the door because Rampage is not about to take anyone down anymore.

Also, did you even watch Liddell v. Evans? How was Liddell kicking his ass? Did Liddell win the first round, yea he did. But it was not like he knock Evans down and blooded him up. It was a fairly close round that Liddell only won because Evans used it to set him up in round 2. Remember, Evans sat back the entire time and waited for Liddell to come in so he could counter. Ortiz v. Evans was almost 3 years ago back when Ortiz mattered and Evans was an up and comer. I will give you Thiago's 3rd round against Evans, but at the same as I mentioned earlier in this thread I believe Thiago is a heavier hitter then Rampage at this point. Just watch the Jardine fight, Rampage hit him clean a few times and Jardine never was shut down. Thiago shut Jardine down before the 2 min mark. Also in the last 4 years, Rampage has only KOed 3 people (Eastman, Liddell and Wandy).

Finally, Rampage is about as mentally tough as a grade schooler. He looks like he is walking around at 250 at the moment, he has not fought in a while and I truly do not think he wants to fight anymore. He is only taking this fight to save face because he has been called out non-stop now for several months.

1. Speed does not always beat power.
- Brandon Vera should have beaten Randy Couture
- Vitor Belfort should have beaten Randy Couture
- Frank Mir should have never lost to Brock Lesnar
- Cung Lee should have beaten Scott Smith
- Kenny Florian should have beaten BJ Penn
- GSP should have never lost to Matt Hughes
- Melvin Manhoef shouldn't have lost to Mousasi
- Houston Alexander shouldnt have lost to Kimbo Slice
- Wandy shouldn't have gotten knocked out by Rampage
- Noone should have ever lost to Tim Sylvia
- Randleman shouldnt have lost to Rampage

2. How many people have you seen Thiago knock out. Now compare that to Rampages knock outs. You cant look at one fight then go on to say this person has better knock out power. Then again you did say thats your opinion and you have a right to it ofcourse.

3. Rampage has had more than double the fights that Rashad has. In the last 4 years how many times has Rampage been knocked out. In the last 4 years how many times has Rashad been knocked out.

4 While we are on the topic take in mind that Rampage has more experience than Rashad. This is skillset thats often overlooked.

5. Assuming Rashad didn't recently learn MT what does Rashad bring to the table that Page hasnt dealt with already? Has Rampage ever been knocked out with hand strikes or head kicks?

6. Rampage used his wrestling quite well against Dan Henderson. Like Kos and Matt Hughes he chooses to keep it standing. I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking he cant get a takedown if he wants to. Out of curiousity do you think Rashad can even beat Dan Henderson or Wandy?

7. What noteable names has Rashad knocked out?


The one valid point you made that I agree with is Rampage's possible ring rust and the fact that he has probably lost interest in fighting. You also said Rampage is saving face by agreeing to fight Rashad. Do you believe he intends on letting Rashad kick his ass? If so how is that saving face if anything thats even worse given their history.

Btw my narcs are kicking in so excuse any typos. Im jacked up on Oxycodone lol.

[lwbrewer]

I don't think Rampage will train properly for this fight and will show big time.
Rashad will come in with a win game plan no matter how boring it might end up.
As envolving as this sport is using fights from several years ago doesn't mean much any more.

[roaddawg]

Which means if you look at Rashads most recent fights it really doesnt look good for him imo.
- Knocked senseless by Lyoto
- Almost knocked out by Thiago

Rashad will have no choice but to strike with Page if hes unable to take him down. The only thing stopping Page from taking this fight imo is Page. If he truly doesnt care enough to train then he deserves to get his ass handed to him.

I know if it was me I wouldn't want Rashad to kick my ass given our history. Too much trash talking has been done for any of the two to not take this fight seriously. Even if it was Page's last fight im sure he wouldnt want to end his career getting beat down by Rashad.

I don't see it happening.