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[macewen]

Fitch vs Kos does need to happen. I would personally put money on koscheck in that fight. Hopefully some day it can happen and someone will take me up on that bet.

[Trojan Fight Club]

I'd put money on Fitch, I hate Koscheck lol.

[Mac]

Originally Posted by The Natural994

You need to lose your boner for Paulo. Just because he beat Kos by ko your putting way to much into this guy. He's no where near top 5 fighter.

Paulo Thiago can't handle wrestlers. He may be a high level bjj practitioner but he never fought a high level wrestler till he got to the UFC. Kos could have laid on his ass for 15 min and eeked out a decision if he wanted too....Shit, Volkman alsmost did and Volkman even mounted him once..and his ass is out of the UFC. Your putting too much on that win over Thiago. ..The guy never was exposed to blanket fighters till he ran into Fitch.

Secondly...Aside from Alves, Sanchez, and GSP...Fitch's opponents are B-level fighters.

That's a fact.


He doesn't deserve a title shot over those guys and he won't get one. You don't have to like it but thats the way its going to be.

The bottom line is Fitch needs to fight Kos. Kos is a good match up for him because he can force Fitch to rely on other aspects just than wrestling. That way we can really see who is the top contender.

Wow, I have a boner for Thiago? Why because I pointed out he beat Kos? Because he is a JJ black belt? Those are facts, not my bias because you want to put me out there as a nuthugger.

And the fact that you see what Fitch did to him as blanketing means you don't know what you are looking at when it comes to JJ. Once again, it's MMA not kickboxing. And me pointing out Thiago KOing Kos is just using your logic, you are the one that makes it out to be that a fighter has developed more if they KO or finish people.

So besides the guys you mentioned Fitch has fought B-level fighters. OK, they are still better than the C-level fighters Daley has fought. Now, will Daley get the shot if he beats Kos? Probably, but he still won't be better or ranked better than Fitch. That is a fact.

I agree that I would like to see Fitch fight Kos, but unless 1 of them has the title it won't happen.

I'm done with you unless you learn there is more to MMA than highlights and striking.

[The Natural994]

Originally Posted by Mac

Wow, I have a boner for Thiago? Why because I pointed out he beat Kos? Because he is a JJ black belt? Those are facts, not my bias because you want to put me out there as a nuthugger.

And the fact that you see what Fitch did to him as blanketing means you don't know what you are looking at when it comes to JJ. Once again, it's MMA not kickboxing. And me pointing out Thiago KOing Kos is just using your logic, you are the one that makes it out to be that a fighter has developed more if they KO or finish people.

So besides the guys you mentioned Fitch has fought B-level fighters. OK, they are still better than the C-level fighters Daley has fought. Now, will Daley get the shot if he beats Kos? Probably, but he still won't be better or ranked better than Fitch. That is a fact.

I agree that I would like to see Fitch fight Kos, but unless 1 of them has the title it won't happen.

I'm done with you unless you learn there is more to MMA than highlights and striking.

Listen, when someone uses their wresting or in Fitch's case his "GJJ" to stymie whatever his opponent does....it doesn't matter whether you, Joe Rogan, Dana White, me, Jenna Jameson or the guy taking a piss during his fight know wtf is going on because it is blanketing him....Holding someone down and blocking sub and sweep attempts is not exciting and its being a blanket. Its what guys like Josh Koscheck did when he was still green in this sport...Its what all these wrestlers turned fighters do when they are out of their comfort zone...They rely on that core wrestling strength and base to control their opponents once they get the take down and ride them out peppering them with weak meaningless punches and keeping their hips high..... Doing just enough to stop the ref from standing them up... When you go into a fight, a boxing match, a grappling match, a wrestling match, etc..etc... your looking for the kill. Ask any competitor what they want to achieve before a fight or match ....Its never a UD. Guranteed. Its always a win, followed by a stoppage, pin, ko, sub, etc...

I know you are obviously a supporter of "it doesn't matter what route you take as long as you get to the destination." theory... Unfortunately for you...thats not the case in this sport. Guys like Fitch had to wait for even consideration of title shots because of his lack of ability to finish a fight. Machida even at one point had this label. However... Machida gained that killer instinct and is agressive ...and looks for the finish now. Fitch doesn't.

Your ignoring the fact I agree 100% he is very good at what he does and I realize what he is doing. Your ignoring the fact that while not every top fighter in the world finishes every fight....They atleast have had one in the past two years, and those guys that are champs are hungry, act hungry...you just don't see that out of Fitch. His happy-go-lucky persona has followed him into the cage ....

I'm not saying I want Fitch to engage in a stand up war. I'm saying I want Fitch to use his GJJ and wrestling to take someone down, gain dominant position, and finish him. It doesn't always have to be a war of attrition...thats what keeps him from being elite. He is not a threat to KO or sub someone.

I really look forward to this fight with Alves.

[wolunt]

Sadly, this fight would do nothing for me. The Fitch/Alves fight is going to be a lot more exciting than watching GSP beat up one of these guys again.

[Bizz]

Originally Posted by The Natural994

Listen, when someone uses their wresting or in Fitch's case his "GJJ" to stymie whatever his opponent does....it doesn't matter whether you, Joe Rogan, Dana White, me, Jenna Jameson or the guy taking a piss during his fight know wtf is going on because it is blanketing him....Holding someone down and blocking sub and sweep attempts is not exciting and its being a blanket. Its what guys like Josh Koscheck did when he was still green in this sport...Its what all these wrestlers turned fighters do when they are out of their comfort zone...They rely on that core wrestling strength and base to control their opponents once they get the take down and ride them out peppering them with weak meaningless punches and keeping their hips high..... Doing just enough to stop the ref from standing them up... When you go into a fight, a boxing match, a grappling match, a wrestling match, etc..etc... your looking for the kill. Ask any competitor what they want to achieve before a fight or match ....Its never a UD. Guranteed. Its always a win, followed by a stoppage, pin, ko, sub, etc...

I know you are obviously a supporter of "it doesn't matter what route you take as long as you get to the destination." theory... Unfortunately for you...thats not the case in this sport. Guys like Fitch had to wait for even consideration of title shots because of his lack of ability to finish a fight. Machida even at one point had this label. However... Machida gained that killer instinct and is agressive ...and looks for the finish now. Fitch doesn't.

Your ignoring the fact I agree 100% he is very good at what he does and I realize what he is doing. Your ignoring the fact that while not every top fighter in the world finishes every fight....They atleast have had one in the past two years, and those guys that are champs are hungry, act hungry...you just don't see that out of Fitch. His happy-go-lucky persona has followed him into the cage ....

I'm not saying I want Fitch to engage in a stand up war. I'm saying I want Fitch to use his GJJ and wrestling to take someone down, gain dominant position, and finish him. It doesn't always have to be a war of attrition...thats what keeps him from being elite. He is not a threat to KO or sub someone.

I really look forward to this fight with Alves.

I'm on the other side of the argument but I have to agree with what you are saying. And I think that the answer to the grinding grapplers issue resides in better refereeing. The UFC needs to bring in those Pride refs that weren't scared to stand guys up. That and the yellow cards for those other dudes who won't engage.

I dont know maybe introduce some kind of 5 count where if nothing happens the ref stands them up. That way the guy on top knows he has to do something and the one on the bottom knows he needs to neutralize whats coming. It would be a good way to use the guard dynamic and make it somewhat exciting as well as pushing the pace of certain lackluster fights.
In the end it would also force guys to have a better ground game making the difference between those who know what they are doing and those who just lay and pray.

[deathloc]

i like fitch just as much as most do but im not so sure if he can stop alvez. not even gsp could stop alvez but anything is possible.

Originally Posted by snakebite

fitch shouldnt get the next shot! shows how much talent there is when every proposed title fight is a rematch

shows how much a brain you dont have. i swear everytime i post here which is rare and i see posts by you its always you hating on fighters and have nothing good to say. are you for real? nobody can be that ignorant. maybe you are a joke account im not sure. atleast thats what my brother thinks.

Originally Posted by Black

so you say that Shougun shouldnt get rematch even he got ripped by oppinion of many people?

i think he was being sarcastic.

Originally Posted by Mac

Trust me when I say, I wish I could limit certain people to Noob Jack.

its possible to do that. the settings for that is in admin control but you need to be an admin to set it if i remember correctly.

[KamikazePongtha]

anyone who stops thiago alves period gets the next crack. though i see alves taking the W home by way of TKO.