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[hurt80]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Chuck looked focused and in shape against Shogun, to me he looked the best he'd looked in several years--maybe going back to the second Babalu fight--but the problem is that Chuck at his peak would lose to a focused and healthy Shogun, at least in my opinion

rh

he definitly looked focused and in shape but i thought his movement looked horrible he looked very flat footed and slow. i cant help but wish we could have seen that fight 4 or 5 years sooner it would have been bad ass. i hope he can at least go out on a few decent wins, as much as i like chuck , i dont see him ever winning the strap back

[hurt80]

Originally Posted by fishy

This is pretty much why Chuck is not performing like he used to. He took some hard shots from Rashad, Page and Shogun that either put him out or rocked him but Chuck in his prime would walk through them. His aggressive style was successful because of his ability to take those shots and land an over right himself to finish. In the first Page fight, he took a lot of clean, hard shots and although he took a beating and he lost he wasn't rocked at all--he took that punishment like a champ.

The key to his success will probably be him mixing up his wrestling with his striking like he said and working on a tight striking defense to avoid eating those big shots which he can't take anymore

i agree with everything but the punch from rashad, i think that shot would have knocked out a fucking rhinocerous!

[moonrocker]

i have alarm bells going off like crazy inside my head.....i don't see another 4 fights in the ufc after tito as a good thing for chuck. why? so he can prove he can win 'a' fight inside the octagon over the age of 40? try to finish off his career with a winning streak over mediocre mid level fighters? At the risk of getting knocked out himself by a mid level fighter???

How many times has he said he's quite partying and focused on training? I'm also tired of him saying how close his punch was on Rashad and how close he was to knocking him out....and how he was winning the fight.....when you fight like chuck does, you either knock people out or you get KTFO. There are no awards for coming close. if chuck does anything short of putting tito to sleep in devastating fashion, he won't be as marketable for 4 more fights as some may believe.

and for the record, we do not need to see chuck fight kimbo. end of story. people who think they need to see this happen, don't understand the sport or what's involved in it and what it takes to have a hall of fame career. you don't finish off the twilight of your career fighting B level youtube mma freakshows. I like kimbo, but I'm just saying.....

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Chuck looked focused and in shape against Shogun, to me he looked the best he'd looked in several years--maybe going back to the second Babalu fight--but the problem is that Chuck at his peak would lose to a focused and healthy Shogun, at least in my opinion.

So I'm not entirely writing him off, and I want him to be successful with what he wants to do...the only real risk is that if Tito somehow wins, we're going to have to listen to him talk about it as though he beat a 2005 Chuck Liddell, instead of a 2010 Chuck Liddell.

rh

Liddell looked pretty good in his fight with Shogun, I agree. He landed some hard punches, but it looks like he just cannot take a punch like he used to. Either that, or his open and loopy style just does not cut it against truly elite strikers.

He was my favorite fighter when I got into the sport, and his ability to knock people out was just awesome. There aren't really many guys like that around anymore; Chuck in his prime, he would always go for the KO. Once he really became confident he had a killer instinct that I don't think anyone has matched besides Wanderlei. It is something to admire, a guy who is winning a fight that is willing to eat shots in order to land a huge right hand. But I hear this talk about one more run at the belt so many times from fighters, I think part of being a real fighter is never knowing when to hang them up.

[Y2JUBAE]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

Liddell looked pretty good in his fight with Shogun, I agree. He landed some hard punches, but it looks like he just cannot take a punch like he used to. Either that, or his open and loopy style just does not cut it against truly elite strikers.

He was my favorite fighter when I got into the sport, and his ability to knock people out was just awesome. There aren't really many guys like that around anymore; Chuck in his prime, he would always go for the KO. Once he really became confident he had a killer instinct that I don't think anyone has matched besides Wanderlei. It is something to admire, a guy who is winning a fight that is willing to eat shots in order to land a huge right hand. But I hear this talk about one more run at the belt so many times from fighters, I think part of being a real fighter is never knowing when to hang them up.

I don't think he can take a punch anymore either, then again, the punches that knocked him out would have knocked anyone out.

Also, Tito doesn't punch as hard as Shogun, Rampage or Rashad.

[roaddawg]

The advantage goes to the better striker in this fight and we already know who that is.
Tito simply doesn't have knock out power and if he cant get Chuck down hes in trouble.

Personally I would have rather seen Chuck fight Griffin.

[evergleam]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

The advantage goes to the better striker in this fight and we already know who that is.
Tito simply doesn't have knock out power and if he cant get Chuck down hes in trouble.

Personally I would have rather seen Chuck fight Griffin.

I agree for the most part of what you are saying. Plus fighting Griffin would have been better to me as well.

I think the advantage is not in Chuck's favor either way you look at it. If he wins oh well, if he loses it's going to be the worst loss to a guy he hates.

We will have to see if that time off really helped Chuck or if it gave him some rust. He is my favorite fighter but I'm honestly not even looking forward to him fighting ever again, especially Tito, simply because I hate watching him lose.

[Mac]

The best thing the UFC could do here is after the Tito fight, feed him a couple of winnable fights like Hammil and Cantwell. He's still gonna put asses in the seats and buys on the ppv. Then you could set up his 4th and final fight against Wandy. Then he could ride off into the sunset.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Chuck looked focused and in shape against Shogun, to me he looked the best he'd looked in several years--maybe going back to the second Babalu fight--but the problem is that Chuck at his peak would lose to a focused and healthy Shogun, at least in my opinion.

So I'm not entirely writing him off, and I want him to be successful with what he wants to do...the only real risk is that if Tito somehow wins, we're going to have to listen to him talk about it as though he beat a 2005 Chuck Liddell, instead of a 2010 Chuck Liddell.

rh

So basically this fight is pointless with very little pay off for either fighter.

[YukonJordan]

Pointless, yes. Very little payoff, no. I imagaine these guys are going to make a bunch on the back end especially after TUF.