Originally Posted by YukonJordan
Just because you publically said you would lose that matchup doesn't lesson the effect of the loss. As far as his quality wins go, his win against Shogun had a lot more to do with Shogun's knee than Griffin's skill. His wins over Rampage and Tito are still debated.
I think Forrest is simply solidifying his case as a go-anywhere, fight-anyone, at-anytime type of fighter...which he is. Forrest isn't
a lot of things, but he's game and he does what he's asked without bitching about it. I don't know what he's thinking, but if he sees what I see [that he's 99% unlikely to ever recapture the LHW title] he's looking to solidify himself in a niche in the UFC.
His initial loss
to Tito is still debated as well, and the best excuse I've heard for him not beating rampage is that "to be the man you have to beat the man" bullshit. Bottom line is, he was supposed
to lose to both guys, and he made a very game fight out of it, regardless of the controversy.
Originally Posted by lwbrewer
Yes you can say that wasn't a complete Shogun, but whats Rampages excuss, underestimating someone is his own fault. Tito can right a book with all of his reasons for the loss
I think it's a little more than rampage underestimating him. I think Forrest went into that fight with the only fightplan I've ever seen him employ, [other than to get punched in the face and make a fight out of it] exploiting a glaring weakness in jackson's game.
It wasn't a complete Shogun.
I don't see Forrest as an elite LHW, and I think this bout illustrates it to the rest of the world. Nog arguably has the best boxing at LHW in MMA, and I think we're going to see that showcased here...it's just a bad matchup for Forrest the whole way around.
I could certainly be wrong, and I'll give Forrest tremendous credit if he climbs back into contention with a dominant win, but I think this is the beginning of his status as gatekeeper between the A and B levels, and I hope he does get thrown a bone now and then. When I think about the fan favorites [guys like Leben and Alexander, for instance] who get to keep their contracts without any performance to support it--often getting to fight on TV over more talented/lesser known fighters--I'll be pissed if Forrest eventually gets worn out and tossed aside.