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[macewen]

Originally Posted by Mirko45

Booking, stop with such predictable match-ups please. I know you need to establish certain fighters, being an organization that is slowly gaining popularity. But since the Shamrock/Diaz card I think the only fight I've picked wrong has been Cyborg/Coenen. They have great fighters but all these cards are way too cut and dry imo

really, u even picked the smitch Le fight? Did better then I did lol

[beau420]

Originally Posted by TBEAR

If you are right then i will say this (Iwill Catch shit for this) If you dont like to get hit find anther sport. Fedor is great and I mean no disrespect to him, but elbows are part of FIGHTING!!!!!! right?

So are kicks and knees to a grounded opponent right?

All rules are arbitrary.

On the most recent episode of Inside MMA, they talk to Mousassi, Gilbert Melendez and Hector Lopez and all of them say they don't care, a fight is a fight, you just gotta know the rules and how to defend it.

[scolli7]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

My biggest issue with Strikeforce is the announcing.

Frank Shamrock's analysis is so brutal to listen to and often times, he makes the worst comparisons and insights and never provides any real technical commentary, rather just rambles on and on. But he's nothing compared to Mauro Ranallo. Not only does he try his hardest to sound like Marv Albert and Duffman's love child, but he slurps the product and the fighters so much that it's distracting and is so completely unnecessary. I hate when he draws pointless allusions that just aren't there and his references are just so imbecilic. The complete overstatement of the product kills me and really destroys the product.

I also don't care for the "keys to the fight" when all that shows up on the screen is a word like "jab" or "singleleg". It just seems so Super Nintendo-ish.

Overall, they just really need to tighten up the product, but the main key is announcing, for it's just so poor.

Agreed.

IMO opinion, the greatest MMA announcing team ever was Bas and Quadros. Although Quadros seems like he would be the creepy clown at kids' birthday parties if he was not broadcasting, the chemistry between the two has been um]nmatched since.

The Goldbegs, Ranallos, and Quadros' will always have to play the part of the company whores no matter what; it is a nescessary evil. The difference in my mind is that with Stephen you always felt he was doing it because he had to, where as the rest preach company propaganda as Gospel.

[Pasha K]

Originally Posted by enthb

I think Fedor likes the no elbows rule too. So that could be a big influence also.

Yes and how do you know that? Fedor personally told you?
And what about "So that could be a big influence also"? you mean that SF dont allow elbows in the ground because Fedor doesnt like that??

About the changes, personally I dont think that different colors of gloves are going to be an important factor, but I would also prefer to see the gloves in just one colour. And BTW I dont like the red gloves and neither those dark blue. I would prefer to see black, white or blue (like in Dream).

I think they should change that Jimmy Lennon Jr or whatever his name is, he is boring, even Bruce Buffer is very entertaining compared to him. If they are copromoting with Dream, why they dont bring Lenne Hardt?

I agree with Fedorlei that the "keys" are complete bullshit, very useless.

However I dont agree with the entrance stuff, do you seriously prefer the entrances in UFC? They are boring, in SF the entrances at least are more entertaining to watch. Not because they use Pyro means that they are acting like Pro Wrestling.

The commentators are not bad, just fire Shamrock and bring Bas Rutten and it will be a great team.

[TBEAR]

Originally Posted by beau420

So are kicks and knees to a grounded opponent right?

All rules are arbitrary.

On the most recent episode of Inside MMA, they talk to Mousassi, Gilbert Melendez and Hector Lopez and all of them say they don't care, a fight is a fight, you just gotta know the rules and how to defend it.

I agree with you follow the rules what I am saying is dont say "elbows are bad" just because you dont like them. If they are legal then fine....but I think they should be legal

And by the way I new that was coming that is why I said " i will catch hell for this" lol

[travtera]

Generally I've enjoyed the last few Strikeforce shows but this one just didn't seem to live up to the hype in my opinion. That happens sometimes, UFC included.

Match Making- The show came off as more of a talent showcase for Lashley, Walker, Cyborg and Diaz. I don't think this was the intention of Strikeforce as on paper it looked like a solid event. The majority of the fights just weren't very competitive which took away from the excitement. Simms late replacement status and perhaps a slightly overrated Zaromskis (Or perhaps Diaz IS just that good) perhaps led to some disappointing, one sided fights. I do thank them for giving us Manhoef/Lawler that was fricken' awesome!

Entrances- I can't quite put my finger on why I find SF's entrances annoying but I do. I found myself walking away and checking the forum during the entrances and coming back to catch the fight. Maybe I'm just lacking an emotional connection to SF fighters so the anticipation to them entering the cage just isn't there... Maybe it's just the choice of music. I don't think I recognized one entrance song from last night that might otherwise get me pumped for the fight. Regardless some work can definitely be done here.

Announcers- Mauro is from my home town and I remember him calling the local hockey games when I was a kid so as bad as he might be my bias won't allow me to say a bad thing, just in awe to see the local guy on such a big stage. The only point the announcing got to me was during the Walker fight. They all got so far up Herschel's ass, I wanted to turn the tv off. No offense to Herschel it was his debut and it deserved some spotlight, just when you could see the guy he was fighting had no business being on this stage and you continue to commend Walker's abilities, it was just too much. Oh and and agreed, the "Keys to the fight" thing has to go!

[b0sH]

I thought the SF show was decent but the card itself was lacking in serious competition.

The entrances I've always thought there could be a happy medium between a UFC style thing and a WWE style. Obviously you don't want something that cheesey but equally you want something that gets the crowds adrenaline going before the big fight.

The newer of the Tito entances where the lights go out and then the fire went around the video screens of the middle tiers to Eminem was pretty decent. The big named guys shud get their own style put to this, assuming this is something they wud actually want to do themselves.

The matchmaking was just shocking though. Walker got given a guy who should barely be considered a pro, ive seen more talented fighters at amatuer events. Bobby was given a top heavy lanky Sims to take down at his own will. Sims in top form would probably lose that one let alone a Sims who seems to be barely keeping in remote shape. Diaz is a stud and it's hard to work out whether he just made the guy look shite. I still don't see him taking out the top ranked UFC talent though.

[rivethead]

I believe the no-elbows and flashy entrances are a nod to PRIDE FC, even if they are diminished in translation. No elbows makes better sense if you allow soccer kicks and stomps, but even with the restrictive U.S. rules, I'm still fine without them, I generally hate when fights get stopped via cuts, and I have trouble respecting fighters who deliberately try to end fights via cuts. I also like the variety it brings in that it's different from Zuffa rules, and forces different strategies.

The entrances lack the creativity that PRIDE had, but I don't really hate them. I hope that fighters realize how mediocre they are and either choose to just walk out or do something interesting like Sudo and Chonan.

I can't comment on the announcing, as I rarely watch MMA with the sound up...but I find Rogan and Goldberg to be fucking horrible as well, so I have a simple solution: turn down the volume and play music. It's worked for me for years.

I hate the showcasing-of-talent stage Strikeforce seems to be in. I'm a huge proponent of having the best available fight the best available, and I hate squash matches. A monkey could have predicted the winners of last nights cards, they were set up to run like that.

I'm also disappointed that Hieron gets bumped [shitty online stream not withstanding] for the Walker fight. I hated it when the UFC bumped fighters for the Kimbo/Alexander debacle, it's just as fucking horrible when Strikeforce does something similar.

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[YukonJordan]

I give Strikeforce a pass for putting Hieron on the undercard as they still need to build their brand and fanbase.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by YukonJordan

I give Strikeforce a pass for putting Hieron on the undercard as they still need to build their brand and fanbase.

I could see that as simple marketing if they bumped Jay for the Lashley fight. Lashley is on the cusp of being considered legitimate and not a dilettante, and while I think Hieron is 100x the fighter he is, I can understand wanting to skim some cross-over fans from professional wrestling [I don't agree with it, but I accept it as viable marketing].

But building a brand with Walker included is essentially creating a foundation out of sand. I don't mind Herschel, he's got a great story and he looked as impressive as he was supposed to look against a cherry-picked opponent [and I'm assuming he won't piss hot like Jonny Morton]...but it was a sideshow event at best. To me, that's as bad as dana bringing in a severely dented can for Kimbo to knock over. It's not like Walker needs the payday, and it's not like he couldn't have benefited from another month or three of training. It's not like Jay hasn't been bumped before, and handled it very professionally.

I'm sure Coker did right by Jay somewhere behind the scenes, and I think the online stream was a nice idea...but I would have like to have seen Walker bumped to another card, and Hieron featured in this one.

I'll just never be comfortable with pure entertainment getting the nod over established and credible fighters, regardless of which org is pandering to the clueless.

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