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[schizerbone]

Originally Posted by KnowledgeKnown

Then again, maybe it's only me who has no desire to see this nonsense.

You're not alone. As a second or third fight on a main card, it would be good to see Couture-Coleman. But as the main event...just doesn't make sense. Same thing for Tito-Chuck...mostly because I have no desire seeing Tito or Chuck facing any legit LHW contender...so them fighting each other isn't bad at all. But if they main event, that would be horrible.

[Clark80]

Is it technically fighter bashing to hate on Tito? He seems to do more talking than fighting so I wanted to ask before I unload?

[roaddawg]

As you can see people love to hate on Tito. One of his main points is that he gets people to care one way or another. He has a love/hate relationship with the fans and one of the worst things that can happen is to have fans that don't respond to anything you do.

As long you can get people fired up enough to see you either dominate or get your ass kicked youre doing the right thing because youre putting asses in seats.

3 key points here:
- He made valid points about holding out to get a good contract. Hes very business savy.
- Tito has done a lot for the sport. This is also undeniable.
- He always generates some kind of response from the fans. To this day his name is still popular and people are willing to pay to see him fight.

Love him or hate him it is what it is.

[YukonJordan]

You can legitimately argue that Tito and Randy have done more than anyone else to improve fighter pay.

[rivethead]

I didn't bother reading beyond the title, but I'm confident that somewhere down in the Mississipi Delta, there is a 90 year old blues man who is complaining that the Beatles and the Rolling Stones made millions off of what he created...

...and that tomorrow is still going to be Wednesday.

Originally Posted by KnowledgeKnown

Then again, maybe it's only me who has no desire to see this nonsense.

It's funny, as the last post on the page--and from someone whose opinion I respect--this caught my eye and prevented me from just using the "quick reply" box.

You are not alone in your lack of interest. Six months ago, I would have bet good money that they couldn't do anything to make TUF worse, but I would have lost that bet. Then, given an opportunity to go double-or-nothing, I would have lost again.

Tito hasn't been relevant in going on six years now, and another stint on that horrible reality show isn't going to change anything.

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[WileyThaOne]

Originally Posted by GL Jeff

For all the people who posted before me,you must not have read the same article.because it didnt say Hughes wanted to be like him, or that he is a victim of anything.He stated that he was one of the first fighters to hold out for a better contract, and helped pave the way for better wages. And hes right, he was the first highly paid fighter around, he was the UFC poster boy. I like Tito, he gripes, but who dosent.

agree

[Y2JUBAE]

Originally Posted by Clark80

Is it technically fighter bashing to hate on Tito? He seems to do more talking than fighting so I wanted to ask before I unload?

Fighter bashing is kinda up to the opinion of the Mod who reads it I guess.

The rule of thumb I go by is this: If it's just a story about a fighter, and someone comes in ripping them apart, that's fighter bashing...

But, if a fighter does or says something stupid, like many have over the past two weeks, then they brought it on themselves.

Thats just me though, I've gotten some infractions for it lol.

[buddahman]

Originally Posted by The_Mab69

Tito is a living legend, everyone respects what he has accomplished for the sport. He was the face of the sport back in the day, he has always brought controversy which created exposure for an unknown sport at the time, I remember seeing him and Shamrock go at it on Best Damn, and I hope he can rise up and get the title again, but he should've won that griffin fight, I see him beating chuck this time as well.

i hate to break it to ya, but tito will never be champ again or even get a shot at the title for that matter. he cant hang with any of the ufc top 10 lightheavyweights. i would like to see tito get destroyed by jon jones just like his boy matt hamill.

[beau420]

I think Tito is confusing himself with Randy Couture. The reason everyone is making so much more money isn't because of Tito, it's because of Randy holding out.

When Rampage came over from Pride, he wasn't making as much as Mirko.....I fight, flat rate deal.....he got a little less than the Royce Gracie special contract.

UFC 62, Chuck vs Babalu, chuck got $250,000 to beat Renato....that is more than half the total cards payout (total payout was $407,000.....8 fighters made less than $5000)

UFC 61, had 4 fighters make over $90,000. Tito Ortiz: $210,000; Tim Sylvia: $120,000; Ken Shamrock: $100,000; Andrei Arlovski: $90,000

UFC 60, had Matt Hughes vs Royce Gracie.....one of the worst spectacles, and Royce Gracie made $400,000

UFC 57 had Chuck Liddell making $250,000 and Randy Couture making $225,000

In my mind it was Randy, and actually Ken Shamrock that got the fighters making more money than they did before....not Tito. Tito may have been more outspoken about it, but Ken was a bigger draw back then and Randy was the fighter that stood up for the other fighters to make them more money.

[braddahmatt]

Originally Posted by MMA4EVERRR

Next we will hear him say hes responsible for Fedor's success

How is he not?