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[JCVD]

I don't see how Hendo's age comes into this fight, he's one of the few Pride fighters who didn't take a beating over in Japan by fighting guys twice the size of him. Watching his last few fights he's still basically the same fighter i remember from Pride unlike Big Nog and Wanderlei who look ten years older then the actually are! The only change in his game over the last couple of years i've noticed is he goes for less take-downs. Like Randy i think he's one of those guys that will be able to fight on at the top level for afew more years.

I really don't think there is anyway Shields wins this fight, i can't see him been able to take Dan down and even if they did end up there Hendo's superior wrestling and his general grappling experience give him the advantage. Even Mayhem done pretty well with Shields on the ground. Dan is notoriously hard to submit, he's been in the ring with the Nog brothers and a Gracie and never been submitting. It took one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world to submit him, which Jake clearly is not! Dan can fight this fight wherever he wants it, which will probably be on the feet. My guess is that will lead to an early KO for Dan either at the end of the first round or early in the second.

Then we can get a much more interesting Moussasi vs Henderson match up!

[TBEAR]

Originally Posted by U shut ur FACE

Not a big fan of this match up. In no way do I see Shields coming close to getting a win over Hendo considering Hendo pretty much trumps him in every category. Don't get me wrong, Shields is a great fighter but we're talking about Dan Henderson here... Also, what do they plan on doing with Henderson once he wins? I can't see a decent match up after this unless i'm missing something... Anyone have suggestions?

Mousai can fight at MW??????

[U shut ur FACE]

Originally Posted by TBEAR

Mousai can fight at MW??????

Yeah that would be a great match and I would love to see it. Hopefully Mousasi doesn't leave Strikeforce for any reason before they can put this together. With recent news about him parting ways with his management I feel the might be gravitating towards that but i'm basing it off of nothing...

One thing, does anyone else remember a while back, Mousasi came out and stated that his management lied to him about the Strikeforce deal and then retracting the statement like a week later? Wonder if that was actually true and leads in to his parting with management...

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Badluck33

Fedor has said repeatedly that he isn't for the money but that doesn't say the same for Vlad, Millen and the rest of the cronies at M-1 Global. I believe on the surface that Fedor isn't about the money but he has a family to feed too.

RH, i know this is between us so i'll just refrain myself for now....

Fedor's family is well provided for, but I was referring to his assumption that Fedor was regretting not making [the imaginary] 5 mill per fight with the UFC.

I agree that the Fink and Millen are bloodsuckers, just like dana, Coker, and the rest of the promotion ilk. I'm just pointing out a) 5 mill was debunked and that b) Fedor doesn't care about $$ regardless.

Originally Posted by U shut ur FACE

Not a big fan of this match up. In no way do I see Shields coming close to getting a win over Hendo considering Hendo pretty much trumps him in every category.

Henderson's biggest weakness is submissions, which is Jake's biggest strength. Jake also has very good cardio, and Hendo has been inconsistent at MW due to the weight cut. Jake also has excellent striking defense, and can use that as long as the fight remains standing to tire Dan out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Henderson fan, and I think he wins this 7 out of 10 times...but it's simply not the given most people in the thread have made it out to be.

Dan also has great matchups at LHW.

Originally Posted by TBEAR

Mousai can fight at MW??????

If you weren't joking--and I hope you were--Mousasi made his bones at MW, and has only moved up to LHW in the last year and a half.

I don't think he's interested in dropping back down, however; but Dan could move up to meet him at LHW. Or the prospect of fighting Dan at MW might add incentive to Gegard.

rh

[The Return Of......]

i am pretty sure it was stated on this web site that all of fedors fights would be on cbs back when he very first signednwith strikeforce i dont know if this was actually in the contract or just something that was planned.

i honestly dont have shields that high up in my rankings. he has beat a couple of good fighters, some decent fighters, but no one on the same level as hendo. if hendo doesnt walk through jake i will be suprised. dan only signed a 3 fight deal. and from what ive read i thought the plan was sheilds, mousasi, fedor. i for one would love to see fedor vs hendo.

all i know is that it is starting to look like strikeforce could be in trouble if they dont right there ship and fast


ps to rivet head

dan has 3 loses by submission. 2 to the nogeria brothers and one to anderson silva who is trained by the nogeria brothers. to be only getting subbed by the elite isnt a sign of weak sub defense. is there something i am missing here?

[Bloodbeard]

Originally Posted by JCVD

I really don't think there is anyway Shields wins this fight, i can't see him been able to take Dan down and even if they did end up there Hendo's superior wrestling and his general grappling experience give him the advantage. Even Mayhem done pretty well with Shields on the ground. Dan is notoriously hard to submit, he's been in the ring with the Nog brothers and a Gracie and never been submitting. It took one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world to submit him, which Jake clearly is not!

He lost to both Nog brothers by armbar AND Anderson Silva is alright with submissions but Shields is more dangerous on the ground. It's not like Silva was looking for the RNC... I seem to recall Henderson giving up the neck pretty easily there although I haven't watched that fight in a while (I will after work). IF Shields can't take him down he will pull guard. So the fight will go to the ground as long as he doesn't get KO'd first and I doubt that will come to pass until late R2 or R3 so Shields will have some time to work. He has a chance.

[U shut ur FACE]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Henderson's biggest weakness is submissions, which is Jake's biggest strength. Jake also has very good cardio, and Hendo has been inconsistent at MW due to the weight cut. Jake also has excellent striking defense, and can use that as long as the fight remains standing to tire Dan out.

rh

Yeah, agreed with that I just feel that it's a long shot it will happen considering how well Henderson is on his feet in comparison to Shields; as well as his wrestling offering some defense whereas Shields really has nothing to fall back on standing up but... I sorta have a feeling this is going to come back to haunt me lol so i'll wait and see.

[TBEAR]

Originally Posted by rivethead

If you weren't joking--and I hope you were--Mousasi made his bones at MW, and has only moved up to LHW in the last year and a half.

I don't think he's interested in dropping back down, however; but Dan could move up to meet him at LHW. Or the prospect of fighting Dan at MW might add incentive to Gegard.

rh

I think Hendo or Gegard would make the move IF they are serious about fighting the best SF has to offer. IF Gegard can clean out the LHW SF roster then the Hendo super fight will happen IMO (it maybe at LHW though you are right about that)

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by The Return Of......

i am pretty sure it was stated on this web site that all of fedors fights would be on cbs back when he very first signednwith strikeforce i dont know if this was actually in the contract or just something that was planned.

Right, and that makes sense. But it doesn't indicate that the contract wold be void if SF had a card on CBS that Fedor wasn't on.

i honestly dont have shields that high up in my rankings. he has beat a couple of good fighters, some decent fighters, but no one on the same level as hendo. if hendo doesnt walk through jake i will be suprised. dan only signed a 3 fight deal. and from what ive read i thought the plan was sheilds, mousasi, fedor. i for one would love to see fedor vs hendo.

Well, since there is only one MW on the planet at/above the level of Henderson, you can't really hold it against him, can you? I'd still take him over all but one of the UFC WW's and two or three of their MW's.

Originally Posted by The Return Of......

dan has 3 loses by submission. 2 to the nogeria brothers and one to anderson silva who is trained by the nogeria brothers. to be only getting subbed by the elite isnt a sign of weak sub defense. is there something i am missing here?

Yes and no. You're missing that I still favor Dan in the fight, but if he's got a weakness, it happens to lie where Jake is strongest.

I'd also put Jakes groundgame WAAY over Anderson's. As in not even close. So you might be missing how good Jake is on the ground.

rh

[Trojan Fight Club]

I don't see Shields ground game out doing Hendo's. Shields won't be able to take Dan down and pulling guard will be more than difficult with Dan's greco-roman style. I still stand by Hendo by KO. If this fight goes to the ground it won't stay there for long.