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[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by Masscore

This is why the UFC needs to add FW and BW and just completely takeover the WEC. Think about how many PPVs would have title fights if they added two more divisions. FW and BW might not be the best sells, but I am sure they would add at least 100,000 buys to each PPV if a title was on the line.

Those of you who do not think that BW and FW could sell PPVs, I think otherwise. With the UFC marketing and backing guys like Cruz, Bowles, Torres, Faber, Brown and Aldo would all be much bigger names and able to sell PPVs. Remember it was not so long ago that people thought LWs couldn't headline PPVs and now look at BJ Penn. In his last 4 PPVs Penn has not sold under 500,00 buys (v. Sherk, GSP, Florian and Sanchez).

Title fights help a lot because a lot of people would just rather see a title on the line, it kind of makes the PPV special. Without a title fight its kind of like watching a glorified UFN.

How do you suggest they deal with the influx of fighters that would bring though? Alot of UFC and WEC fighters and staff would be left in limbo. It is indeed a good idea to add depth but it is not without it's problems. BW and FW could hold it's own easily. I would love to see this happen if it were done the right way.

[Xanatos]

Originally Posted by Degenero

How do you suggest they deal with the influx of fighters that would bring though? Alot of UFC and WEC fighters and staff would be left in limbo. It is indeed a good idea to add depth but it is not without it's problems. BW and FW could hold it's own easily. I would love to see this happen if it were done the right way.

How about they leave the two companies seperate, but they utilize co-promotion. Ween the WEC into the UFC a little bit more. If a certain UFC card is looking a little shabby, throw in Cruz defending his BW title. or a #1 contenders match for the BW title. Something like that. it's a good way to bolster weak cards, plus give the WEC some more exposure.

They just need to get rid of WEC PPVs. that was a bad idea to begin with and I think they'll pay for that.

[The Return Of......]

Originally Posted by Degenero

I go with 3-7 friends and we generally spend 20-50. I have a couple cheap friends who would not want to go in on the beer/food. So our pub is the better option. We order in the bigger PPVs that more people want to watch. Like UFC 100 or whenever Rampage fights. Depends on my buddy with the big screen. The smaller cards, like the most recent ones, 3 of us end up drinking 1-2 pitchers and a meal each. 30 bucks.

Ordering in does end up being cheaper sometimes but we like the local pub.

i agree its fun to go to the pub. and if i could do it for 30 dollars id go with that option too. shit im gonna have to come drink in your town sometime cuz the last time i went out it was just 2 of us for a football game and the tab was right around 100 for the both of us and we werent even there that long

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[joeyP]

Originally Posted by Caine2878

^^^ If the 10 pounds is worthless why are we having 195 catchweight fights?

A catchweight isn't a weight class, my friend.

[Y2JUBAE]

I don't see the relation to the last wec and the next ufc?

[PaydayJones]

So the fact that PPV buys spike when something major is happening on the card and lul when the Main event winner will still be another fight away from actually challenging for the belt is evidence that the UFC has taken a down turn?

I don't get it. It seems like every one is almost _hoping_ for a colapse of the UFC.

Do they put on more PPV's then they should? probably. Are some of those PPV's a bad idea on paper? sure, but then again some of those turn out great.

If the UFC put Mir Lesnar III on a card with Silva v Belfort on there would it surpass the numbers from 100? There's a pretty good chance of that.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by The Return Of......

not 100% sure how the whole ppv bar thing works but i would imagine the the price for a business such as a bar to air the ppv is higher than the price for residential. i know this use to be the case for nfl sunday ticket when i first came out so i would think the same thing would apply here. they can get away with charging bars more because it is used at a tool to get more people into the bar.

as for me the whole 50s thing doesnt really bother me because well i dont know how you go to the bar for only 30 dollars but i sure as hell cant. so the 50 to rent it and watch it with friends with food and beer at the house for me is much cheaper.

The establishment buys the PPV from a PPV provider normally at a discounted price, but not by much. And they multiply that by what the their maximum occupancy is, which means standing room, not by seats. So most bars would be anywhere from 100 to 300 people are more. Then that establishment charges a cover and hopes they make up the difference in foor/alcohol costs. I've worked in a lot of bars/restaraunts and most of the time they wouldn't even order the PPV's because it's not profitable. Hope that helped

[Xanatos]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

The establishment buys the PPV from a PPV provider normally at a discounted price, but not by much. And they multiply that by what the their maximum occupancy is, which means standing room, not by seats. So most bars would be anywhere from 100 to 300 people are more. Then that establishment charges a cover and hopes they make up the difference in foor/alcohol costs. I've worked in a lot of bars/restaraunts and most of the time they wouldn't even order the PPV's because it's not profitable. Hope that helped

I've watched most of my UFC cards in bars and not once have I ever had to pay cover. In fact I didn't spend anything really. I bought an Iced Tea, watched the show and went home. cost me 4 dollars.

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by Degenero

How do you suggest they deal with the influx of fighters that would bring though? Alot of UFC and WEC fighters and staff would be left in limbo. It is indeed a good idea to add depth but it is not without it's problems. BW and FW could hold it's own easily. I would love to see this happen if it were done the right way.

Just cut the fat the UFC right now could easily cut 30 to 40 guys that no one would miss. I mean come on they did just sign Trigg, Baroni, Gracie, and Toney. Maybe instead of signing those guys they could sign top level FWs and BWs. It really would not be that hard.