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Originally Posted by H33LHooK  Not sure what you're basing that on; neither fighter blasts guys out regularly with punches landed toe-to-toe.
Statistically, I suppose you could make that argument (barely), as DH has a KO ratio of 50%, whereas GSP's is around 42%. |
I suppose you
could look up nonsense statistics on sherdog if you wanted to
barely make an argument, or you
could actually watch the fights.
There is a huge difference between scoring TKO's off of an accumulation of strikes [many of which were kicks, and most of which were scored on the ground] and knocking someone cleanly out standing. As I stated already, GSP is a better overall striker. He does not have KO power--specifically in his hands. Hardy has KO power.
Thus, my focus on
hands.
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Originally Posted by Xanatos Just because Hardy's biggest tool is his striking doesn't mean he's got great striking. |
Just because you skim a post doesn't mean you understand it. I'm not saying Hardy has great striking. I'm not even saying he's got great hands. I'm saying he has better hands than Georges.
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The only fight he impressed me with his stand up was against Swick, and he couldn't finish it.
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Standing with Swick is impressive. If GSP stood the whole fight with Swick, he wouldn't finish him either. Again, I'm not saying he's a great boxer--although neither is Georges.
Note: I'm not saying GSP can't beat Swick. I'm saying he'd beat him by mixing things up and by hurting him on the ground.
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I think his boxing and KO power are overhyped ad GSP is looking like the underdog when throwing hands.
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Throwing hands, GSP
is the underdog.
Striking, he is not. There is a huge difference.
My entire post was focused on the overhype that GSP gets, simply because he's GSP. Heelhook said there is no facet of the game that Hardy even remotely compares to Georges, and very simply, he's wrong. It's an exaggeration of Georges' skillset, one that commonly occurs.
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Georges' wrestling has become so good everyone seems to forget how profficient of a striker he really is. and how strong he really is. i think GSP can out box Hardy 7 times out of ten.
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Georges is many, many things. He's a phenomenally gifted athlete and a wonderful ambassador for the sport. He's an incredibly smart fighter and a ridiculously hard worker. He's an exceptional grappler and a very talented striker--he's quick, accurate, and employs a wide variety of strikes from all angles--not to mention the threat of a takedown--to keep his opponents off balance, and he's always looking to improve his skillset. He examines his opponents thoroughly in creating state-of-the-art fight plans.
But he's not a great boxer. He doesn't have KO power, and describing his head movement as even very good would be an overstatement. He doesn't even box, per se, with the exception of his jab, which--while effective--is hardly the best in the business.
So yes, GSP defeats Hardy 49 out of 50 times in an MMA fight. But he doesn't outbox him seven out of 10 at this point in his career.
Who knows...maybe Georges will focus more on boxing in the near future, and we'll see him setting up the counter more often than the takedown, and putting together combinations that don't include kicks. I doubt it, since he's so ridiculously effective at WW, he doesn't need to and it represents needless risks that hasn't been known to take. He might look to it if he moves up to MW, where he won't have a staggering size advantage over most of his opponents, and it would certainly be a surprise. But right now, at this point, he's simply not a great boxer.
And neither is Hardy...but he's still got better hands than GSP.
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