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[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

As much as I'm a fan of Yoshida, I take issue with any possibility of him fighting Fedor at this moment in time. 2004 is a different story, but he looked outright deflated in the Ishii fight and I really don't think they'd waste Fedor's time....unless there was one helluva payday involved.

It's a gesture to Japanese fans. The concept is going to be completely lost on North American fans, but that's all it is. There's going to be a huge hue and cry from anyone who thinks Fedor still needs to "cement his legacy" or some shit, but it's a way to show respect for Hidehiko, who is beloved in Japan in a way that is conceptually beyond anyone who is going to look at his win/lost column in Fightfinder to try to determine if he's relevant.

It's like a retirement party for Yoshida.




With punches.

rh

[Punk Ass]

Besides winning a medal in the Olympics (which is no small feat) what else has he done to become this legend? Especially in MMA.

Edit:Ok, he did go the distance with Wandy, I guess that's an accomplishment..

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Harlem

Besides winning a medal in the Olympics (which is no small feat) what else has he done to become this legend? Especially in MMA.

Edit:Ok, he did go the distance with Wandy, I guess that's an accomplishment..

I think this is a great illustration of how most fans are going to interpret this fight if they're not from Japan. It's like the indie-band punchline, Yoshida is HUGE in Japan, to a point where it defies quantification. It's a subjective, non-translateable qualitative appreciation, much like Japan's affinity for freakshow matchups.

rh

[jlruthven84]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I think this is a great illustration of how most fans are going to interpret this fight if they're not from Japan. It's like the indie-band punchline, Yoshida is HUGE in Japan, to a point where it defies quantification. It's a subjective, non-translateable qualitative appreciation, much like Japan's affinity for freakshow matchups.

rh

Still, fair or not, you've got to figure this is going to hurt Fedor and M-1's reputation stateside. Not that they need it financially; M-1 could promote fights like this for the rest of Fedor's career and make bank.

[The Return Of......]

im not that interested in this fight. 5 years ago?? it would of been a decent fight but , now....bleh.

i can see where its a big show for japanesse fans. but thats like us getting chuck liddell against andserson silvia at this point. oh we would pay to see it, but why are we wasting silvas time.

i dont really have a problem with the fight, an i understand the the reasoning behind the fight......but its been 4 months since he fought and he turned down fights against quality opponents. now maybe he turned down those fights because he really wanted to do this...........but why did he or his management rather down play a fight with AO and apparently turn down the fight with werdum.

this seems more like a pay day fight for M1 seeing as how they contacted yoshida and wanted the fight. not an honor thing or a respect thing but a M1 wants to claim co promotion rights and try to make themselves look like they really did something they didnt do and get paid for it type thing

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by jlruthven84

Still, fair or not, you've got to figure this is going to hurt Fedor and M-1's reputation stateside. Not that they need it financially; M-1 could promote fights like this for the rest of Fedor's career and make bank.

I don't think that's a big deal for Fedor. I think people that have a natural predeliction to hype/overhype fights put a huge amount of stock in the momentary swings of public opinion. I don't think Fedor does. He's dismantled two top 5 fighters in his last 3 fights, he hasn't legitimately lost since--well, ever--and I don't he feels one fight, specifically for a respectful and adoring audience, is going to define him one way or the other.

Originally Posted by The Return Of......

im not that interested in this fight. 5 years ago?? it would of been a decent fight but , now....bleh.

i can see where its a big show for japanesse fans. but thats like us getting chuck liddell against andserson silvia at this point. oh we would pay to see it, but why are we wasting silvas time.

I think you're still trying to translate it into wins and losses relevance. Yoshida's popularity is completely incidental to his ranking/record.

i dont really have a problem with the fight, an i understand the the reasoning behind the fight......but its been 4 months since he fought and he turned down fights against quality opponents. now maybe he turned down those fights because he really wanted to do this...........but why did he or his management rather down play a fight with AO and apparently turn down the fight with werdum.

I don't think they were offered anything concrete fight with Werdum. They were offered a fight with AO, who has gone back on his word 4 out of 5 times with Strikeforce, and they put a clause to ensure they wouldn't get completely fucked out of promotional money as they did with Barnett.

this seems more like a pay day fight for M1 seeing as how they contacted yoshida and wanted the fight. not an honor thing or a respect thing but a M1 wants to claim co promotion rights and try to make themselves look like they really did something they didnt do and get paid for it type thing

I'm sure M1 is putting up more money than they get credit for, and this is a huge promotional opportunity to advance their name in Japan.

I'm a huge fan of co-promotion, and I want Strikeforce to succeed, but right now, Coker isn't getting it done. As of six months ago, he had three champions who hadn't defended their belts in going on two years. He's still got one champion in AO who waffles more than a golf ball about whether he's ever going to fight in the states again, and I'm sure M1 just wants to set up simple, lucrative deals. If Coker and SF can't get it done, they're going to look elsewhere, particularly if that includes/greases the wheels for future potential to face Barnett in Japan.

I'm not crazy about it, I just don't see it as the enormous deal that it's probably going being made out to be. If dana did the same thing, his fanboys would immediately stand by it as a good business decision. If Soares was able to do it with Anderson, his fanboys would stand by it as a good business decision. It sucks, but business is business.

rh

[rough-n-tumble]

Originally Posted by The Sensational One

I would be so so dissapointed if this were to happen. But i don't expect nothing less, and really anything outside of M-1 putting Fedor in bum fights volume whatever is not shocking. Im not hating on Yoshida, but really? He is not relevant currently and would like to see his retirment fight, fight against someone he may actually be able to defeat. Fedor vs Werdum should be his next fight.

It's only because you're a dumb American who doesn't understand history & MMA. Didn't you read the artical. [total sarcasm dude]

We constantly have to read how the Japanese people have so much more knowledge and blah blah then us in the west, though they are the first to accept freak shows and shitty match ups. I've enjoyed some Yoshida fights, but this just doesn't have any appeal to me. He's the Japanese Oleg Taktarov; a lot of specialized talent that allows him to compete and takes huge beatings because he's tough.

Who would jump to watch;
Silva vs Liddle (could be argued but until he proves something...)
GSP vs Pulver - Pulver's a legend in his own right, let's watch him get smashed before he retires.

[The Return Of......]

see i dont reallly think M1 is putting up hardly anything. but thats my opinion, you think the opposite. it would be nice if we could find out exactly what they do.

i am taking nothing away from yoshida as far as being popular in japan. just because he is popular over there does that mean we should want to see the fight too????

i am completely against co promotion for the most part and i think co promotion and non exclusive contracts are the things that are hurting strikeforce the most right now.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

I understand the Yoshida love, he choked Royce outcold and those bouts with Wand were pretty intense. Tamura and Ogawa were really important showdowns for the Japanese fans because they're all such big deals and lets not neglect, Yoshida's a freakin gold medalist, oh it's true. But he's been on a solid decline for some time now and he's not on the legendary status of Sakuraba IMO.

However, it sounds like maybe when Strikeforce put the kibosh on a DREAM showdown with Barnett, that pissed off M1 and started this whole renegotiation thing and M1 contacted ASTRA in feb to get this together, since now that there's another potential fight out there in Japan, Fedor can get his non-exclusive on. Obviously that's utter speculation, but at this point, this whole Fedor game is quite confusing.

I wonder if Yoshida will wear the gi? Could be alot of throws going down.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

I understand the Yoshida love, he choked Royce outcold and those bouts with Wand were pretty intense.

No he didnt!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll dare you besmirch Royce in such a way. Not even Sakuraba could put Royce to sleep.

Royce was robbed. He never tapped, and got up as soon as the ref got Yoshida off. Yoshida was telling the ref that Royce was sleeping, which was totally false. I also heard Royce was robbed in the rematch aswell especially because he was beaten the hell out of Yoshida standing.