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[Bloodbeard]

It would be awesome if Yoshida beat Fedor in his retirement fight. Japanese fans would go insane. I'd rather Fedor lose to Yoshida than someone like Werdum (even though I love Werdum) but then people would have a field day with it. Fedor has already cemented his legacy so whatever he wants to do is fine by me but if he doesn't fight AO, Werdum, or Barnett this year some people are going to start to call for his ranking to drop... hopefully he is involved in a big fight this year so that I don't have to read people bashing on Fedor who is probably the most respectful person in MMA. If he did take this fight it would be mostly out of respect for the Japanese fans and Yoshida and not so much about the coinage. XD

Why do 75% of negative rumors involve M1 in some way? lol.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Bloodbeard

...but if he doesn't fight AO, Werdum, or Barnett this year some people are going to start to call for his ranking to drop...

Yeah, but those same people need to realize he's still faced better fighters in his last three fights than any other HW has in their last three.

They probably won't realize that, but it would be nice.

rh

[Repenter]

i'd like to say this is just posturing for negotiating power, but the batshit craziness of the fedor camp combined with the deification of both fedor and yoshida in japan make me wonder if they're serious. a yoshida match would have been intriguing some years ago, but now it would like having... oh i donno, chuck liddell fight shogun

[Bloodbeard]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Yeah, but those same people need to realize he's still faced better fighters in his last three fights than any other HW has in their last three.

They probably won't realize that, but it would be nice.

rh

Well if he fights Yoshida then that will no longer be true. Therein lies the problem!

[rivethead]

If he then fights Barnett, he'll have surpassed them again.

If he adds Werdum to the mix, he'll have lapped them.

rh

[The Return Of......]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Yeah, but those same people need to realize he's still faced better fighters in his last three fights than any other HW has in their last three.

They probably won't realize that, but it would be nice.

rh

your right, i dont realize it. tim sylvia was all but done, sure he fought for the interim hw title but the ufc didnt have anyone else and he was let go right after that. i was not impressed with AA at in his fights leading up to the fedor fight, especially the roy nelson fight. brett rogers is still young but i rank him up there, although i have read on this board that he is 1 dimensional.

you do not say won there last 3 fights you say faced better fighters than anyone else in there last 3.....

big nog - frank mir, randy couture, cain velasquiz

brock lesnar - heath herring, randy couture, frank mir

frank mir - nog, brock, kongo (hey kongo is just as good as timmay at this point, and maybe just as good a rogers)

cain - kongo, nog, and you know his next fight will be against a top level opponet

dos santos is creeping up there too with yvel and CC fights.

i mean its really subjective, and i can see your point, even though im not sure im sold on it. i just think fedor is put on too high of a pedistal sometimes

fedor is a great fighter, and im not so much against this fight as just not excited for this fight. but i honestly think fedor has just as many holes in his level of compition as anybody if not more. if you look at his record, its very impressive but how many guys were top level compare to how many werent?

hong man choi, wagner, mark hunt, linland, yuji nagata, just to name a few that werent,

and nog, cc, rogers, herring, just to name a few that were.

and yes i am prepared to be flamed for having an opinion that does not match that of the board. im just sayin.......

[QOTSA420]

Originally Posted by The Return Of......

your right, i dont realize it. tim sylvia was all but done, sure he fought for the interim hw title but the ufc didnt have anyone else and he was let go right after that. i was not impressed with AA at in his fights leading up to the fedor fight, especially the roy nelson fight. brett rogers is still young but i rank him up there, although i have read on this board that he is 1 dimensional.

you do not say won there last 3 fights you say faced better fighters than anyone else in there last 3.....

big nog - frank mir, randy couture, cain velasquiz

brock lesnar - heath herring, randy couture, frank mir

frank mir - nog, brock, kongo (hey kongo is just as good as timmay at this point, and maybe just as good a rogers)

cain - kongo, nog, and you know his next fight will be against a top level opponet

dos santos is creeping up there too with yvel and CC fights.

i mean its really subjective, and i can see your point, even though im not sure im sold on it. i just think fedor is put on too high of a pedistal sometimes

fedor is a great fighter, and im not so much against this fight as just not excited for this fight. but i honestly think fedor has just as many holes in his level of compition as anybody if not more. if you look at his record, its very impressive but how many guys were top level compare to how many werent?

hong man choi, wagner, mark hunt, linland, yuji nagata, just to name a few that werent,

and nog, cc, rogers, herring, just to name a few that were.

and yes i am prepared to be flamed for having an opinion that does not match that of the board. im just sayin.......

I agree with you, So what Yoshida is a legend in Japan. He is a decent MMA fighter bottom line. Fedor is a top HW, and has no business fighting him. For me to truly recognize him as the number one HW again he must actually prove it. If he just wants whats in the best interst of him thats completely understanable but he should by no means be ranked number 1. Fedrum is a UFC cast off that could not cut it. Rodgers while talented is not up to par with a Carwin, Valasquez, or JDS. AA and Sylivia are past their primes. And even though everyone hugs Barnetts nuts as the number 2 guy. He has not fought a credible opponent in quite some time and is not getting any younger. Screw the Japanese fans at this point, the vast majority of competition is in the UFC so sign with them, if you want respect, or piss off and collect a check if you dont.

[KillahKimbo]

way to take the top fights

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by The Return Of......

your right, i dont realize it. tim sylvia was all but done, sure he fought for the interim hw title but the ufc didnt have anyone else and he was let go right after that. i was not impressed with AA at in his fights leading up to the fedor fight, especially the roy nelson fight. brett rogers is still young but i rank him up there, although i have read on this board that he is 1 dimensional.

you do not say won there last 3 fights you say faced better fighters than anyone else in there last 3.....

big nog - frank mir, randy couture, cain velasquiz

brock lesnar - heath herring, randy couture, frank mir

frank mir - nog, brock, kongo (hey kongo is just as good as timmay at this point, and maybe just as good a rogers)

cain - kongo, nog, and you know his next fight will be against a top level opponet

dos santos is creeping up there too with yvel and CC fights.

i mean its really subjective, and i can see your point, even though im not sure im sold on it. i just think fedor is put on too high of a pedistal sometimes

fedor is a great fighter, and im not so much against this fight as just not excited for this fight. but i honestly think fedor has just as many holes in his level of compition as anybody if not more. if you look at his record, its very impressive but how many guys were top level compare to how many werent?

hong man choi, wagner, mark hunt, linland, yuji nagata, just to name a few that werent,

and nog, cc, rogers, herring, just to name a few that were.

and yes i am prepared to be flamed for having an opinion that does not match that of the board. im just sayin.......

I'm not going to flame you, but it's not subjective.

Andre was ranked top 3 and Tim was ranked top 5 when Fedor faced them. I personally didn't have Brett ranked, but he was arguably on the fringes of top 10. Apparently, I should have mentioned that Fedor won all of his matches as well.

Nog faced Mir, Randy and Cain. Mir was--at best--on the fringes of top 10 when he faced him, and Nog lost to him. Note that Nog is the only ranked fighter Mir has beaten in 5 years. Randy was coming off a loss and on somewhere 7-10. Cain was entirely unranked, and beat Nog anyway.

lesnar: the closest he can come to a top 5 opponent was Randy, who had dropped from many polls due to a year-plus layoff. Herring and Mir were top 15, but unranked fighters at the time he faced them. People might make an argument that Mir should be top 10 for catching brock in the sub for their first fight, but they'd be overlooking that brock himself was entirely unranked--as in, not even top 50, with just a single fight against a dented can--when that occurred.

Mir: has one top 10 win in the last 5 years, and it was a declining and staph infected Nog. Lost to lesnar who was ranked between 4 and 5 at the time, and then somehow faces the not-even-top 15 Kongo for some reason.

Cain: beat an unranked Kongo, an unranked Rothwell [who is at least arguably top 15] and a still top 10/but clearly declining Nog. The fact that your bringing up who he may fight next is irrelevant to my statement.

Dos Santos: faced an unranked Struve, an entirely declining Crocop [who is still somewhere on the fringes of top 15], and an entirely unranked Yvel. But it should be noted that Dos Santos KO'd Werdum when Werdum was hovering around 6 or 7 [depending if you'd pulled Randy entirely out due to the layoff or not] and derailed his title shot.

So no, it's not subjective. At the time he faced them, Fedor has two top 5 opponents out of his last three fights. Nobody else does. If he fights a freakshow fight to give something back to an audience he respects, he'll still have two top 5 out of his last 4...and none of the UFC HW's else would have that, either.

I'm not saying the UFC HW's suck. I'm saying their softly ranked, and the holes in Fedor's resume are overstated. Fedor has fought long enough and put together a long enough winning streak where he's going to have B and C level guys in there, just as anyone will. The issue is, he hasn't been beaten by any of those B and C level guys, and he's also beaten every A level guy he's faced, and there are a shitload of them. Nobody else can come close to that claim.

The UFC HW's are talented, and there is a ton of talent [literally, if you made them all stand on the same scale] waiting in the wings as well. But they're softly ranked. If Mir loses to Carwin--who really can't be ranked any higher than 10 right now, at best--I have Frank dropping entirely out of the top 10. He'd be 6 and 4 in his last 10 fights and you have to go back six or seven years to find a second ranked opponent that he's beaten, and he's lost to C level guys in the meantime.

rh

[QOTSA420]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I'm not going to flame you, but it's not subjective.

Andre was ranked top 3 and Tim was ranked top 5 when Fedor faced them. I personally didn't have Brett ranked, but he was arguably on the fringes of top 10. Apparently, I should have mentioned that Fedor won all of his matches as well.

Nog faced Mir, Randy and Cain. Mir was--at best--on the fringes of top 10 when he faced him, and Nog lost to him. Note that Nog is the only ranked fighter Mir has beaten in 5 years. Randy was coming off a loss and on somewhere 7-10. Cain was entirely unranked, and beat Nog anyway.

lesnar: the closest he can come to a top 5 opponent was Randy, who had dropped from many polls due to a year-plus layoff. Herring and Mir were top 15, but unranked fighters at the time he faced them. People might make an argument that Mir should be top 10 for catching brock in the sub for their first fight, but they'd be overlooking that brock himself was entirely unranked--as in, not even top 50, with just a single fight against a dented can--when that occurred.

Mir: has one top 10 win in the last 5 years, and it was a declining and staph infected Nog. Lost to lesnar who was ranked between 4 and 5 at the time, and then somehow faces the not-even-top 15 Kongo for some reason.

Cain: beat an unranked Kongo, an unranked Rothwell [who is at least arguably top 15] and a still top 10/but clearly declining Nog. The fact that your bringing up who he may fight next is irrelevant to my statement.

Dos Santos: faced an unranked Struve, an entirely declining Crocop [who is still somewhere on the fringes of top 15], and an entirely unranked Yvel. But it should be noted that Dos Santos KO'd Werdum when Werdum was hovering around 6 or 7 [depending if you'd pulled Randy entirely out due to the layoff or not] and derailed his title shot.

So no, it's not subjective. At the time he faced them, Fedor has two top 5 opponents out of his last three fights. Nobody else does. If he fights a freakshow fight to give something back to an audience he respects, he'll still have two top 5 out of his last 4...and none of the UFC HW's else would have that, either.

I'm not saying the UFC HW's suck. I'm saying their softly ranked, and the holes in Fedor's resume are overstated. Fedor has fought long enough and put together a long enough winning streak where he's going to have B and C level guys in there, just as anyone will. The issue is, he hasn't been beaten by any of those B and C level guys, and he's also beaten every A level guy he's faced, and there are a shitload of them. Nobody else can come close to that claim.

The UFC HW's are talented, and there is a ton of talent [literally, if you made them all stand on the same scale] waiting in the wings as well. But they're softly ranked. If Mir loses to Carwin--who really can't be ranked any higher than 10 right now, at best--I have Frank dropping entirely out of the top 10. He'd be 6 and 4 in his last 10 fights and you have to go back six or seven years to find a second ranked opponent that he's beaten, and he's lost to C level guys in the meantime.

rh

The rankings dont mean anything. The reason AA and TS arent in the UFC, is that their not worth the money anymore. That has shown in their recent fights.