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[frogman]

i think yoshi wants to fight fedor as his last match of career

because he wants to fight the GOAT of MMA before he retires

but i dont see this happening

yoshi will fight royce again as his final match i guess

fedor vs barnett will happen in Nov I HOPE

[tinkerskippy]

Originally Posted by QOTSA420

well lets see. Since the demise his win over Crop Cop in August of 2005, a very legit fight and a very legit win nearly 5 years ago, this is who Fedor has fought.

One nice win every 5 years is not worthy of being the number one fighter in the world.

Yet on the other hand we have Brock who only has a handful of fights. So I am not going to change my orginal viewpoint and suspend my #1 pick. Because in July we will be one month shy of the Fedor/Cro Cpop 5 year anniversary, and either Brock Lesnar(god forbid), Frank Mir, or Shane Carwin, will have fought some of the most elite fighters in a one year span, and Fedor will have added a retired out classed limited fighter, a Jucied up Kick Boxer, or a UFC cast off to his record above.

Ok then well lets apply that 5 year test then to all fighters currently in contention on your above list for #1:

Mir: Wins over a staph riddled Nog, a 1 fight veteran Lesnar and Kongo (please) with LOSSES to Brock, Vera and that BJJ guy who had worse stand up that Royce

Carwin: A win over GG, a perenial top 10 contender, but noone else of real substance

Lesnar: A win and a loss to Mir as well as a win over an outweighed and 46 year old Randy (who still gave him all he could handle).

How are their records any better? It's not good enough to say that there is no real #1 at the moment - someone has to be - the question is who has the best case for saying it's them?

The 5 year test doesn't really tell us anything (at least regarding the HW division) - it's simple - Fedor is undefeated (cuts don't count) and he has faced plenty of worthy competition - he's the best.

Put it another way - you're down to your last $100 - would you put it on any other guy in your list against Fedor?

Or anyone else, Cain, Nog, Barnett etc.

[QOTSA420]

Originally Posted by tinkerskippy

Ok then well lets apply that 5 year test then to all fighters currently in contention on your above list for #1:

Mir: Wins over a staph riddled Nog, a 1 fight veteran Lesnar and Kongo (please) with LOSSES to Brock, Vera and that BJJ guy who had worse stand up that Royce

Carwin: A win over GG, a perenial top 10 contender, but noone else of real substance

Lesnar: A win and a loss to Mir as well as a win over an outweighed and 46 year old Randy (who still gave him all he could handle).

How are their records any better? It's not good enough to say that there is no real #1 at the moment - someone has to be - the question is who has the best case for saying it's them?

The 5 year test doesn't really tell us anything (at least regarding the HW division) - it's simple - Fedor is undefeated (cuts don't count) and he has faced plenty of worthy competition - he's the best.

Put it another way - you're down to your last $100 - would you put it on any other guy in your list against Fedor?

Or anyone else, Cain, Nog, Barnett etc.

I garuntee you, that Fedor does not run the table if he signs with Zuffa. His latest wins are no more credible then anyone else. Does padding your record make you GOAT?

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by QOTSA420

eh people have their own opinions on this. . . I just don't see Fedor as number one right now. He is really good, but he is just not fighting the best he could/should. We could debate all day on this.

So Fedor isn't #1, but you don't have anyone else as #1. That makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by The Return Of......

ummmm if in your personal opinion falls anywhere in a statement then yes it is subjective.......if you cant see that then i dont see a point in us discussing this. your original statement said faced not defeated but faced which i clearly refferenced. are they softly ranked???? sure. but fedor hasnt exactly faced top competition after top competition.

I was thinking about this, and yes, it's subjective, because opinion is involved in creating rankings, but it's not confined to simply my opinion. I'm talking about a general consensus of the ranking at the time Fedor faced them, where the vast majority had both Andre and Tim at top 5. It's subjective, but it's subjectivity is offset by the fact that more than one considered and educated opinion came to the consensus.

Originally Posted by The Sensational One

Wow you have to be joking right?

No. I'm not joking. I'm talking about the general consensus of major rankings at the time Andre and Tim faced Fedor. Their subsequent losses have filtered the perception of their legitimacy negatively, but the fact remains that's what the rankings were.

Originally Posted by QOTSA420

I garuntee you, that Fedor does not run the table if he signs with Zuffa. His latest wins are no more credible then anyone else. Does padding your record make you GOAT?

No, padding his record doesn't make him the GOAT. Not getting beaten in 10 years while beating multiple #1 contenders and multiple top 5 opponents makes him the GOAT. Yes, there are fights that aren't against top ranked opponents, but everyone has them. You can focus on them, because you have no concept of MMA history and/or rankings, but that's OK, because you've tipped your hand earlier in the thread by saying he's not #1, but being unable to name anyone who is even remotely close to his level. I'm not going to flame you or call you an idiot, but I don't think I can take anything you type seriously after nonsense like that.

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