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[Ramma]

Originally Posted by TapOut27

The point is not how many title fights, hte point is how he was dominant as a champion. Randy was NOT a dominant champion. Hughes WAS a dominant champion. Chuck was more dominant champion then Randy.

I'm not hating on randy, as he is one of the greatest of all time. He just was not a dominant champion in either weight class.

This is essentially what I am saying. Randy was not a great champion. Simple as that. Randy just has more title shots than any fighter in UFC history. Randy has gotten more undeserved title shots in UFC history than anyone else as well.

And unfortunately for Randy, he's been a champion 4 times and only been able to defend it twice. Once in two different runs. Hardly a "great", successful, or dominant champion.

This has nothing to do with Randy as a fighter. Randy is a great fighter who spent a good portion of his career in a division he didn't belong in and had success. Randy will go down as one of the greatest and most memorable fighters who ever lived, but to call him a great champion is quite silly.

[roaddawg]

Which brings us back to Anderson Silva lol.

[TapOut27]

Originally Posted by Ramma

This is essentially what I am saying. Randy was not a great champion. Simple as that. Randy just has more title shots than any fighter in UFC history. Randy has gotten more undeserved title shots in UFC history than anyone else as well.

And unfortunately for Randy, he's been a champion 4 times and only been able to defend it twice. Once in two different runs. Hardly a "great", successful, or dominant champion.

This has nothing to do with Randy as a fighter. Randy is a great fighter who spent a good portion of his career in a division he didn't belong in and had success. Randy will go down as one of the greatest and most memorable fighters who ever lived, but to call him a great champion is quite silly.

Thankyou!


And Royce was completly dominant, and to say the rules where lined up in favor of him your are a dipshit.

[jhell]

Originally Posted by TapOut27

Thankyou!


And Royce was completly dominant, and to say the rules where lined up in favor of him your are a dipshit.

So you don't think it's even a possibility that the early UFCS were in favor of a jj guy? Partly in fact that said guys were the Gracie family looking to market their brand of martial arts? Couple this with lack of time limits, coupled with the fact that these other fifteen contestants were far from their sports elite representatives. Many had exaggerated records and or belt rankings. This all changed though when elite wrestlers started understanding the transistion to MMA. I'm not trying to downplay Royce tournament wins because in fact he did win. I'm just saying if you can't even entertain the idea that there could have been favorable rules and or matchmaking to his benefit then you might think twice before calling out others as supposed dipshits.

[TapOut27]

The rules did not favor him, the event might of favored him, but the rules did not. Eye Gouging/Fishhooks being the only rules.

[The Sensational One]

Hands down Anderson. He has owned the middleweight division since he came in. The title is his and prolly for a long time, he also has the ability to moved between weight classes and destroy former champions that are ranked in the top ten of their divisions still. Silva's UFC record hasn't even been blemished, and i don't see how because Dan arguably won one round then got chocked into submission that stops Anderson from being the most dominant? I can't see how Randy is above Anderson either. numerous times he won belt, ok, but that means numerous times he lost the belt. A champion isn't a true champion until he defends his belt, in that case a truely dominant champion is one in which he defends his title multiple times. Anderson dominates, rarely loses a round and has yet to even lose a match in the UFC. Who dominates more than him?

1.Anderson Silva
2a. Matt Hughes
2b. GSP
3.BJ

[YukonJordan]

based on the numbers I would have to go with Hughes right now. GSP has faced nothing but the best so far and his road to the title shot was the hardest yet but he needs another few defenses to topple Hughes

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by The Sensational One

Hands down Anderson. He has owned the middleweight division since he came in. The title is his and prolly for a long time, he also has the ability to moved between weight classes and destroy former champions that are ranked in the top ten of their divisions still. Silva's UFC record hasn't even been blemished, and i don't see how because Dan arguably won one round then got chocked into submission that stops Anderson from being the most dominant? I can't see how Randy is above Anderson either. numerous times he won belt, ok, but that means numerous times he lost the belt. A champion isn't a true champion until he defends his belt, in that case a truely dominant champion is one in which he defends his title multiple times. Anderson dominates, rarely loses a round and has yet to even lose a match in the UFC. Who dominates more than him?

1.Anderson Silva
2a. Matt Hughes
2b. GSP
3.BJ

Agreed

[Adambomb]

Thanks for your input guys! This turned out to be a great thread. I counted all the votes and may be off by one or two, but here are the totals:

1. Matt Hughes - 13
2. Anderson Silva - 5
3. Randy Couture - 4
4. Georges St. Pierre - 2
5. Royce Gracie, Chuck Liddell, & BJ Penn - 1

By popular vote the greatest UFC Champion of all-time as of 3-22-2010 is Matt Hughes