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[The Sensational One]

Originally Posted by CapCee

Whoa whoa whoa, I just said that there ARE some. I didn't say it doesn't happen or even that it isn't common. But for his entire career to be Min-Soo Kim, Frank Mir, Randy Couture, Heath Herring, Frank Mir and Frank Mir is just a tad excessive. I want to see 265-lb. Mir vs. Lesnar as well. But this isn't your ordinary rubber match. As much as I kinda dislike Lesnar,.

I understand it is a little weird that it is happening so fast that they fight 3x, if Mir gets by Carwin, but if Mir gets by Carwin Mir deserves his shot. Mir is like ranked 3rd by some and 4th by others in the world, if he beats Carwin he will be 3rd so Brock should have to face him.

Don't you think it's fair for Mir to have to beat one more contender before getting another shot while Brock faces another worthy contender before fighting Mir AGAIN?

He will, Carwin. Cain will fight Brock if Mir is hurt, which i think is going to be the case. I see Mir and Carwin as the biggest threats to Brock, Cain i think will get out wrestled and JDS will just get taken down and pounded on. But the thing is Mir has to beat Carwin, and Carwin was up to fight Brock before the disease so if Mir wins and can compete he deserves it more thatn Cain or JDS.

he got screwed in their first fight. He was in the process of beating the bloody shit out of Mir and got stood up (and a point deduction) for ONE blow to the back of the head. A blow that Mir clearly turned into and caused himself. As good of a martial artist as I believe Mir is, he has Steve Mazzagati to thank for a good portion of his current positioning

I agree, Mir should thank Steve for that fight but Brock should never have left his knee like that to get sub'd. I think Brock would have won if Steve didn't be such an idiot, but Frank got owned in the rematch and think will get owned in the rubber match.

[CapCee]

Originally Posted by The Sensational One

He will, Carwin. Cain will fight Brock if Mir is hurt, which i think is going to be the case. I see Mir and Carwin as the biggest threats to Brock, Cain i think will get out wrestled and JDS will just get taken down and pounded on. But the thing is Mir has to beat Carwin, and Carwin was up to fight Brock before the disease so if Mir wins and can compete he deserves it more thatn Cain or JDS.

I actually meant another contender after the Carwin fight, should he win. I do agree that no one should leapfrog Carwin if he picks up the W over Mir since he was already scheduled to face Brock for the belt once. By the way, I actually WANT Super-Mir to beat Brock. This whole disease thing with Lesnar really turned the title picture into a little bit of a cluster fuck.

[The Sensational One]

Originally Posted by CapCee

I actually meant another contender after the Carwin fight, should he win. I do agree that no one should leapfrog Carwin if he picks up the W over Mir since he was already scheduled to face Brock for the belt once. By the way, I actually WANT Super-Mir to beat Brock. This whole disease thing with Lesnar really turned the title picture into a little bit of a cluster fuck.

I do not think Brock should face another contender if Mir wins or if Carwin wins unless injury ect. If either one is healthy they should be next. Mir is highly ranked and if he should beat Carwin then he should get the title shot for he would be higher than JDS or Cain. But i do agree the disease caused a cluster fuck and missed out on the "biggest title" fight in history. But who knows maybe Carwin wins or maybe Mir wins and suffers an "injury" and Cain fights Brock.

[tinkerskippy]

Originally Posted by MetallicKnight3X

this fight should happen. Cain cant stand with Santos and Santos probably will have to avoid the takedown.. but they should bang. And about the comment up top i'd love to see Santos dominate the heavyweight division.. but without proving his ground game and the lack of seeing ground game i think Lesnar would take him down and would pound him out.. i hate to say it but he will, unless the cain vs santos fight happens and he shows he can easily defend the takedown against a high caliber collegiate wrestler i'm gonna say Lesnar will take him anyday til that happens.

I'm going to have to go a disagree with 2 things you said:

1. Cain most certainly can hang with JDS in the striking department. He has incredibly crisp and powerful hands and could easily ko JDS;

2. JDS proved he can get up after being grounded by a big and competent ground specialist on the weekend. Brock may take him down but he could get back up I believe. When he does he is I think even money at worst to put lesnar to sleep.

I say let him fight Cain if the Mir/Carwin winner can face Brock.

If Cain gets the shot give him the winner of this weekends fight for No 1 contender.

[Chute_Boxe44]

Cigano is the fuckin man! I want to see this fight happen, and if either Mir or Carwin come out of their fight injury free we will see it happen. It just makes so much sense that it has to happen. It would be a siiiiick co main event on a card.

War Cigano!!

[lwbrewer]

I know we can't/ shouldn't believe everything Dana says, but after the win over Big Nog did he not say Cain had the next shot if Carwin or Mir couldn't? Dana wanted to insure he had a fighter ready for Brocks return I like and respect that. So any talk about who's fighting who needs to wait atleast until Sunday morning after Mir & Carwin squared off.
So if the winner of this is healthy than Cain & JDS fight can happen.

[Bloodbeard]

Originally Posted by tinkerskippy

I'm going to have to go a disagree with 2 things you said:

1. Cain most certainly can hang with JDS in the striking department. He has incredibly crisp and powerful hands and could easily ko JDS;

That is an interesting statement! :P CV is good don't get me wrong. One of the better strikers @ HW but to think he would even stand with JDS is a bit crazy. CV can win the fight but it's very unlikely he'd get a standing KO. Where are you getting the idea that it would be EASY to KO JDS? Is it because he highlight reel'd Nog in his last fight and that is fresh in your mind?

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by v3xi

I think Cain and JDS are the 2 real top HW's in the UFC.

I completely agree. The long lay off really hurt Carwin imo, he could have fought 3 more times. Since he beat Gonzaga, I think both Dos Santos and Velazquez have done way more as fighters. The only reason I think Mir is still in the mix is because of the rivalry he created with Lesnar.

[MrSpanky]

Originally Posted by v3xi

I think Cain and JDS are the 2 real top HW's in the UFC.

I wouldn't be surprised if JDS was HW champ in a year and defends the title successfully for a long time.

Still, for sake of time right now, this fight makes sense. Either they're both benched until the interim belt is won and then the winner fights Lesnar...and THEN they figure out who deserves it more, or they fight soon to be sure of who gets a shot at the title next. Not that either of these guys needs to prove anything in the HW division that would warrant a need for a #1 contender shot, but if not neither is going to fight for at least a year, methinks. The loser should be immediately faced up against the next #1 contender to come up.

[darkhawk42147]

Not at all interested in JDS fighting Cain. They have worked hard to build themselves up and should each get a separate title shot. Give Cain the title shot with brock @ 116 and then have the winner of Carwin/Mir get their shot in September and the loser face Dos Santos.