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03-29-2010, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac Actually there was a time right after Jardine beat Chuck where Jardine/Evans would have made a lot of sense.
Also, don't people think Machida/Anderson Silva makes sense for the 205 strap. It won't happen and Dana won't make the same deal out of it that he is Fitch. He's got a hard on for Fitch and just doesn't like him over a fucking video game. | But with the depth of the LHW division, it wasn't needed. I'm not saying teammates have to fight eachother when ever the chances comes about, but when your arguably the #2 and 3 ranked fighters in your division, and both have a loss to the champ, it makes sense for them to fight. If Jardine/Evans was for a title shot, I bet they would have thought long and hard about it.
As for Machida/Silva, everybody wants Silva to fight for the belt, except for Silva. He's said time and time again that he doesn't want the shot.
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03-29-2010, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by b0sH The AKA boys have been tossing each other off for far too long talking about how each of them deserve a title shot.
Kos - Already beaten by GSP and is 3/5 in his last 5 fights, he's about as far away from deserving a shot as you can get. He beat Trigg and Rumble, hardly throwing his hat in the ring with that form.
Fitch - Obviously deserves another shot but it's not suprising he's had to wait his turn, he hasn't finished a single fight since GSP made his face look like a hamburger. If you're not gona finish fights then you should expect to see people like Hardy jump the line.
Swick - Lost his last two fights including the one to Hardy proving he wasn't ready for GSP.
I just don't get what they're bitching about. None of them deserved to be ahead of Hardy in my opinion, he was the in form fighter who was making his bouts exciting and was without a loss in the UFC.
In some ways I agree with Dana, people want to see the best fights, it may suck having to fight a training partner at some point but that's what being a professional is all about. | In Hardy's 4 fights prior to GSP he was 3/4 decisions. The only fight he finished was Markham who out weighed Nate Diaz substantially and was on his way to being KO'd by Diaz.
IMHO I would rather see a 3 round grappling match than a 3 round boxing match. Just my opinion though, I think I am one of few.
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03-29-2010, 03:37 PM
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Unless they have the same blood running through their veins they should fight anyone. We all know deep down inside that they want to know if their better than one another.
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03-29-2010, 04:11 PM
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I don't get why so many people think you need to finish fights to deserve shots or to be considered good. Did you win? That's all that should matter.
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03-29-2010, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
I'm always the defending GSP and Fitch and even Maynard for "boring" grinding decisions, but when you have people like Paulo Thiago choking out Swick and knocking out Kos, I don't see how Fitch can think he deserves the next shot, especially without fighting Kos or Swick himself. | Fitch beat Thiago. Thats why he deserves the next title shot. Fitch is the 2nd best WW in the UFC, but GSP is so far ahead of him it wouldnt matter if he got a rematch.
Even if you had Kos fight Fitch, it would be a hela boring match. No one would want to fight the other, that or they would fix the fight back home.
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03-29-2010, 05:03 PM
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first of all, i think kos has to get past daley. if he does that then him and fitch would make sense for the no 1 contender slot. id love to see them fight. however if they dont fight then there are very very very few 1 fight and then a title fight they can fight in. both have already lost to gsp. if fitch were to dec kos it would carry more weight then a dec victory over saunders.
fitch could fight hardy, kos could rematch thaigo. but imo that would not be enough for a title shot. fitch beating kos, or kos beating fitch would be enough.
anderson silva plays around at 205, but isnt really in the title hunt so while id like to see silva vs lyoto it doesnt make as much sense. neither does rashad vs jardine. also at 205 there are plenty of top level fights one can take without having to fight a teammate
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03-29-2010, 05:08 PM
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I have to agree with Dana on this one too. Fitch doesnt want a title shot that bad if he wont fight Kos. I mean come on its a fight. Fight get it over and be friends. Lets say Kos does get a shot at GSP and beats him does that mean Fitch wont want to fight him for the title? I want to see Kos fight GSP over anyone elsse. I think he has the best chance in the WW division to beat GSP. He has good wrestling and standup. Fitch IMO can never beat GSP. He is not strong enough or athletic enough to win that fight.
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03-29-2010, 05:47 PM
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While I think these two have been avoiding each other at the top tier of the WW contenders for the past two years or so, I don't really think there is a need for a showdown, since I think that there is a pretty solid disparity in skillset between the two, since Fitch is much more technically superior on the ground and would probably just grind out a decision. Kos has a puncher's chance and if he could avoid the takedown(which I don't forsee), I see him possibly winning because Fitch's standup isn't too great, but in regards to a necessary showdown, I have Fitch on a higher level than Kos.
Now, if I'm Koscheck, the fastest road to the title shot probably goes through Fitch, where a win against him is probably a hotshot to the titleshot, because beating Daley doesn't guarantee a titleshot, however it's a good start. I don't believe however that Fitch absolutely needs to beat Kos to get a title shot in comparision. If Fitch had beaten Alves, I'd have said he'd earned a title shot again and I wouldn't doubt that Fitch is potentially laying in wait to welcome the incoming Jake Shields in the summer.
I think both can fitfully earn a title shot without facing off, but it'd probably be a faster way in determining who gets the shot.
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03-29-2010, 05:53 PM
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Come on guys, this is bullshit. They're teammates. They have spent almost everyday together for years. Why make bestfriends fight if they don't want too? Fitch is the 2nd best ww on the planet. He's had four straight wins over solid competition.(anyone who says beating Gono, Paulo, Pierce, & Saunders isn't solid is a fucking moron) I'm disappointed that Alves couldn't fight because Fitch would have beat him and with out a doubt DESERVED the shot. Yeah, Fitch hasn't finished anyone in a while but so what? Does that mean he can't fight? No. I love Hardy but Fitch would have been more exciting. IMO Fitch and Shields are the only guys who have a chance in hell to dethrone GSP. Fitch had his shot and got beat badly but hey, he deserves this rematch. Kos nor Daley deserve it. Daley would get the worst ass beating than any other fighter in UFC history.
Only time I believe teammates should fight is if one is the champion and they other is undoubtedly the number one contender.
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03-29-2010, 05:55 PM
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i dont want that at all there will be no action bc they know everything the other one does and i just saw probably the best ncaa wrestling tournament in years so why would i want to see a wrestling match where the jusdges decide rather then a point system? wrestling matches in the ufc=lame
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