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[GSPvsSILVA2012]

Kenflo vs Edgar would be a very interesting matchup

[Y2JUBAE]

Hell, they need to move all the LW's over there as long as BJ is in that division. I'm sorry but there's nobody that can beat him right now. Nobody's even a threat.

[pantomime horse]

Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE

Hell, they need to move all the LW's over there as long as BJ is in that division. I'm sorry but there's nobody that can beat him right now. Nobody's even a threat.

That's how it looks, doesn't it? BJ makes winning look easy at 155.

Florian has the tools to beat anyone at 155 save for Penn. If BJ left the belt for some reason, Kenny has a great shot at taking it by force from anyone fighting him for it.

[tinkerskippy]

kenny should stay put = let him avenge his losses to sherk and sanchez while he waits for bj to vacate (or has diego moved back up?)

[pantomime horse]

Originally Posted by tinkerskippy

kenny should stay put = let him avenge his losses to sherk and sanchez while he waits for bj to vacate (or has diego moved back up?)

UFC 114 sees Diego back at 170.

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by TheKidInside

Rosen is an IDIOT. he talks out of his ass like he's the end all and be all of MMA journalism. Is he G-d? Does he talk about how Ken Flo didn't fight for over a year prior to the BJ fight and he and many of his proponets said that Kenny needs to be constantly fighting in order to be at his top shape. I mean, look he losses to BJ and goes in and destroys Clay Guida, then he submits Gomi...G O M I !!! and how about Joe Daddy? Roger FUCKING HUERTA?!?! JOE LAUZON?

yeah and this guy needs to move down to WEC to make 10k a fight, get no recognition and (most likely) become a champ in the UFC B leagues...what a great thought!!!

Ya you're pretty much dead on. I can't believe the jackasses at ESPN shunned MMA for so long and now that they got on the bandwagon incredibly late, they want to act like they are now the authorities.

Florian did not fight well against Penn, but that does not mean he can never beat him.

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by fishy

I don't really know why you think Maynard will smash him. Even his wrestling won't be an advantage in that fight. Sure Florian hasn't beaten too many top tier fighters but he's shown he's far and above the competition he has beat. He's very under-rated right now and in time will prove that he's amongst the best at lw.

I'll say this now, Maynard has absolutely nothing to offer Kenny. His biggest threat is his wrestling and even if he does manage to put Kenny on his back, he will get his head split open as we have seen Kenny do many times, especially because Maynard is not really that active while he's on top. Kenny will beat him anywhere the fight goes.

Maynard IMO is the second best fighter Florian will have ever fought besides BJ Penn. Maynard is a lot like Fitch in the fact he gets no love because he does not win pretty. But in all reality, Maynard is probably the second best guy in the LW division and the only guy that is probably left that can offer Penn any kind of challenge, albeit a small one.

Nothing to offer Kenny, oh besides being hands down the best wrestler and over all athlete Kenny would ever face in the octagon. If Maynard fights smart, he will beat Florian and rather handily. Florian will not be able to stop his take downs and would not be able to work back to his feet. If his whole game plan while being on his back is to cut Maynard, well good luck winning that fight. Florian has never submitted anyone off his back and Maynard has been on the ground with guys like Clementi, so I doubt Florian will pull it off that way. And while Kenny has a stand-up advantage, its not like Maynard does not know how to box. He would be able to hold his own more then long enough to put Kenny on his back.

Kenny is a good fighter, he is a Top 10 LW for sure. But I am not ready to consider him even the second best LW in the UFC nonetheless the world like most people have been talking. IMO the LW rankings in the UFC go; Penn, Maynard, Edgar, Sherk, Kenny. Kenny has made his name by beating mid-level guys and gatekeepers in impressive fashion.

[TBEAR]

I think KEN FLO is a star and in the top five lws in the world, problem is that BJ is JUST to damn good for anyone who does not outwiegh him by 30 pounds

I have little doubt that Kenny could be the WEC champ, but why? like said by some others, BJ will move up after he beats down Edger thisweekend and one more fight.

Kenny is top tier lw in the UFC and the world.

[Xanatos]

Originally Posted by Masscore

Kenny is a good fighter, he is a Top 10 LW for sure. But I am not ready to consider him even the second best LW in the UFC nonetheless the world like most people have been talking. IMO the LW rankings in the UFC go; Penn, Maynard, Edgar, Sherk, Kenny. Kenny has made his name by beating mid-level guys and gatekeepers in impressive fashion.

I'm a huge Maynard fan, but I easily rank Ken Flo as #2 LW in the UFC. He's running through good fighters just as excitingly (real word?) as BJ Penn has been. Although I give kudos to Maynard for his impresive win streak over some great fighters, but his inability to finish any fights will never change my view on him. unless he can beat Kenny, which I highly doubt will happen, I'll always rank Ken flo above him.

[BBG]

I am a bit surprised by some of the stuff I have heard OUTSIDE this forum and sometimes here as well.
BJ is NOT unstoppable. Just like GSP and Silva they all have a chance to get beat on any given day. Now aside from that typical football speech let me clarify.

BJ is certainly doing very well. He has focused on STRATEGY and OVERALL BASIC SKILL training. He has kept up with the curve in the UFC and MMA in general now. He saw and understood where the top tier MMA fighter has to be in order to dominate. He learned this AFTER fighting St Pierre IMO. His loss made him very angry and forced him to prove people wrong. He didnt want people thinking he wasnt as good of an athlete as GSP.
Now with said, all of that does not translate into being unstoppable or cleaning out a division. He has only fought 4 real LW's. 2 of which he completely dominated after his new training regimen. I am not taking away anything from his accomplishment, but the rest of the guys in the division ARE coming up on that same curve. He isnt going to go on dominating the division forever. Shit its really only been 2.5 years and 4 fights.
I guess what I am really saying is that Penn WANTS to go to WW and he wants to go up for one reason only. If any of you think he is getting bored at LW, your kidding yourselves. IMO he still has alot of quality opponents in LW that are up and comers that just need more fights to prove to the FANS, not Dana or the UFC, that they can give him a run.
He wants to go to WW so that he can fight GSP again. Period. He even says it himself, that after taking it SLOW for a bit and getting some fights out of the way he wants GSP again.

Anyway, I think Florian has a very good chance but not great against Penn at this stage in both of there careers. Penn is much faster and more precise than him on the feet. And forget about getting him down. I like Kenny but lets be realistic, he isnt going to beat anyone as well versed as Penn. Once again however I think that other fighters pose problems for both Florian and Penn in LW the next couple of years.

IMO Penn should stay at LW becasue I do not think he will succeed at WW. There are MUCH bigger guys cutting down to 170 than 155 and it will be a handful for a guy who has trained to excel with guys around his own frame.
Florian will always be the Fitch of LW and stay right around the top 5 in the division for the next couple of years. Even if Penn leaves and goes to WW, I have all the confidence in the world that he still will not be King.