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[MrSpanky]

I think Cain presents more problems to Lesnar than Carwin did. His wrestling will be the key factor I dont see Brock being able to take him down.

[the_dark_angel_4ever]

Originally Posted by MrSpanky

I think Cain presents more problems to Lesnar than Carwin did. His wrestling will be the key factor I dont see Brock being able to take him down.

I'd have to disagree. Brock will have a pretty significant weight advantage and I think he'll use that to bully Cain and get him down

[vegas bushido]

Originally Posted by IceCold48

i guess you missed ufc 99

7 of his 8 wins by TKO and UFC 99 by Cheick stomping? Not sure what you're talking about.

[rob_bills]

To be honest i cant see Cain troubling Lesnar.. not so sure about JDS either. I do however see carwin possibly beating him in a rematch. Holy shit the sexyama and Leben fight was awesome.. Leben turned into the american zombie for a while there :P

[rodneykm]

Seriously, Cain doesn't make it out of the first round against Brock.

1. He has no power
2. He isn't big enough

JDS is the last person who can stop Brock outside Carwin. Period.

[likebutta]

I'll just focus on Lesnar/Carwin, even though the entire card was amazing.

Basically, the way I see it, while Brock was shocked by the power of Carwin and rocked to an extent, Shane's nerves seemed to be on end. Shane, basically fried all of his nerves punching his heart out while his body was probably trying to tell him otherwise. And that could possibly account for his body "freezing up" as he claims. And it probably has a lot to do with his cardio being relatively poor, it seems. I still do not think even with much improved cardio, that the result would have been too different. With arms and muscles that big, any flurry at that length will make one's arms useless. It comes down to Carwin not being entirely prepared, entering with the wrong game plan and/or mindset.

On the other hand, Brock did what he needed to do. He himself was brutally honest about the power and the closeness of the fight in certain aspects but he did what he set out to do. And he has shown quite a bit as far people who questioned him on a variety of areas. He has improved, he can take a shot or few (from Carwin no less) and he's been moving a bit outside his comfort zone by learning new arts and styles. Sure, his boxing isn't pretty to watch but hey, I'm sure he'll still learn that as he goes along. It's very apparent that he is a sponge for knowledge. Not to mention his newer, more cautious attitude and demeanor seems to be helping acquire new respect. But I think as well, it had to do with the fact that Carwin didn't try to incite him like Mir did.

Of course, it the end there will be the people who hate Brock Lesnar, because it's "The Cool Thing To Do (tm)" and because he is that fake wrestler who knows how to play the promotion game. Who cares if he makes a come back from a close call with defeat, right? It's Lesnar! So let's criticize the shit out of him because... he's Brock Lesnar! It's only right to applaud and appreciate real fighters (Nog, Fedor a la Rogers Tireman beatdown) come back while eating all these hits, right? Right?!




Anyway, good stuff. Good fights, good food, good drinks.

[apardo]

Originally Posted by likebutta

I'll just focus on Lesnar/Carwin, even though the entire card was amazing.

Basically, the way I see it, while Brock was shocked by the power of Carwin and rocked to an extent, Shane's nerves seemed to be on end. Shane, basically fried all of his nerves punching his heart out while his body was probably trying to tell him otherwise. And that could possibly account for his body "freezing up" as he claims. And it probably has a lot to do with his cardio being relatively poor, it seems. I still do not think even with much improved cardio, that the result would have been too different. With arms and muscles that big, any flurry at that length will make one's arms useless. It comes down to Carwin not being entirely prepared, entering with the wrong game plan and/or mindset.

On the other hand, Brock did what he needed to do. He himself was brutally honest about the power and the closeness of the fight in certain aspects but he did what he set out to do. And he has shown quite a bit as far people who questioned him on a variety of areas. He has improved, he can take a shot or few (from Carwin no less) and he's been moving a bit outside his comfort zone by learning new arts and styles. Sure, his boxing isn't pretty to watch but hey, I'm sure he'll still learn that as he goes along. It's very apparent that he is a sponge for knowledge. Not to mention his newer, more cautious attitude and demeanor seems to be helping acquire new respect. But I think as well, it had to do with the fact that Carwin didn't try to incite him like Mir did.

Of course, it the end there will be the people who hate Brock Lesnar, because it's "The Cool Thing To Do (tm)" and because he is that fake wrestler who knows how to play the promotion game. Who cares if he makes a come back from a close call with defeat, right? It's Lesnar! So let's criticize the shit out of him because... he's Brock Lesnar! It's only right to applaud and appreciate real fighters (Nog, Fedor a la Rogers Tireman beatdown) come back while eating all these hits, right? Right?!




Anyway, good stuff. Good fights, good food, good drinks.

you seem to have been jhoony on the spot with this. reped

the only thing i can add to this is in relevance to JDS and Cain.

I dont think Cain poses much threat to be blunt, He is a smaller version of Carwin w/o Carwins power. Brock took Carwins power for a long ass time. Second, Brock is a way better wrestler than Cain is.

JDS has a better chance than Cain, but I still see Brock on top.

[MickeyKnox]

Gerald Harris's KO slam. Who did that remind you of?

Leben was great with using his face as a shield and scoring the sub in the last 30 seconds of the fight. It was an awesome fight.

Brock fuckin Lesnar is the champion! I held my breath the whole first round, then the second round comes and he gets a CHOKE?! Wow. I threw my hat off, and was screaming. I laughed in my friends faces who wanted Carwin to win and almost got their wish in the first round; it was hilarious. Tapp tap tap.

Great that Sotiropolous, Bonnar, Lytle, and Grove won.

lol, Petruzelli.

Brock is going to beat the hell out of Cain, and then JDS.

Haha, could you imagine if Roy beat JDS, got the titleshot, and beat Brock?? Fat bastard (Austin Powers) VS Genetic freak of nature.

[BBG]

Originally Posted by DayneFS

Gerald Harris's KO slam. Who did that remind you of?

Leben was great with using his face as a shield and scoring the sub in the last 30 seconds of the fight. It was an awesome fight.

Brock fuckin Lesnar is the champion! I held my breath the whole first round, then the second round comes and he gets a CHOKE?! Wow. I threw my hat off, and was screaming. I laughed in my friends faces who wanted Carwin to win and almost got their wish in the first round; it was hilarious. Tapp tap tap.

Great that Sotiropolous, Bonnar, Lytle, and Grove won.

lol, Petruzelli.

Brock is going to beat the hell out of Cain, and then JDS.

Haha, could you imagine if Roy beat JDS, got the titleshot, and beat Brock?? Fat bastard (Austin Powers) VS Genetic freak of nature.

Gerald Harris was very intelligent with his hand placement. Normally you will see fighters wrap their arms around another and spring for momentum to come to the canvas. He used the weight and momentum from his opponent to place his forearm on the neck. That put the back of the head at the perfect angle and also semi spiked it. Very powerful. And very dangerous.

Im also happy Grove won..Sotiropoulos has some of the best boxing and JJ in the LW division next to BJ..Bonar exposed the Polish experiment...Leben is riding a wave of victories over guys who have not matured int he cage yet. IMO Akiyama is overhyped big time. I think he can beat Wandy, but would get run over by the likes of Vitor if he makes it to upper echelons.
Lytle, what the fuck can you say about this guy? He is a very underated technical fighter with tremendous talent. Its a shame he is past his peak.

Cain is a good fighter, but he doesnt have enough for Brock. JDS on the other hand will be a little bit more of a test.

[Xtremo]

Even though most of you will disagree,

I can see Cain KO Brock...His kickboxing is so technical, its levels above Brock's, so pretty much Brock's gameplan will be to take Cain down and pummel him like Mir, but Cain is no slouch on the ground neither...Cain is NOT gonna give up when he is in any kind of trouble and fight till the end, its the Mexican Warrior Spirit, he gets past Lesnar IMO...you all see how Lesnar's stand up is, it's pretty plain, keeps his right hand cocked back leading with a left, and fires a right straight down the middle...we see that time and time again, it rarely hits. I am a huge Lesnar supporter and always have been ever since his WWE days, but Cain CAN beat him...Obviously, Cain's main goal is going to be to stuff the takedown and keep the fight standing..We haven't seen Cain vs a huge and powerful wrestler before like Brock, and I don't think we ever seen him get taken down even...So will he be able to avoid the takedown?, I guess well find out when they fight...
but, those b my 2 cents..