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[DarkMage]

Originally Posted by Death Beast

Whoever said Cain has no chance is out of their mind. Cain will tool Lesnar, I promise. Cain is improving with every fight and his standup will definitely be better. Once he stuffs Brock's first TD he'll end up backing him up too except Velasquez won't gas himself out in the first, third, or any other round. Get ready for it, Brock is going to get pounded out.

As far as the stuffing the takedown is concerned, I'm sorry, but no. Whether or not Brock can keep a select few guys down after taking them down is in question, but as far as taking them down to begin with? He can take anyone down. Anyone. Even Fedor; and I'm a Fedor fan.

[petchicken]

First off: That was a tough call for the ref. if he would have called it i dont think i would have argued much. a lot of refs would have and i might have a few different times. but i thought he did a good job.
Secondly: I think Cain actually has a good chance to beat brock. he is one tough bad ass too. he is gonna weigh probably 40lbs less than brock at the time of the fight which is going to be a disadvantage but his skills are unbelievable, and his cardio is way better than carwins. he wont gas out. I see Cain pulling the upset by KO. I think he has a better chance than JDS imo. and JDS has to get through the fat man first.

[petchicken]

Originally Posted by DarkMage

As far as the stuffing the takedown is concerned, I'm sorry, but no. Whether or not Brock can keep a select few guys down after taking them down is in question, but as far as taking them down to begin with? He can take anyone down. Anyone. Even Fedor; and I'm a Fedor fan.

what about Kurt Angle? lmao

[Lazarus]

A lot of people were saying Carwin had the better gas tank because he was training at altitude in Denver. A lot of people were saying he had the better camp because he was with Greg Jackson.

And a LOT of people were saying if Carwin "touched" Lesnar even once it would be nighty-night for Brock...

Were you fools ever wrong rofl! Brock took anywhere from 50-80 punches (depending on which site you read) and, 1)makes Carwin punch himself out, 2)takes Carwin into the second round (never happened before; all those who predicted 1st round KO's/TKO's? WRONG!), and 3) SUBMITS Carwin with an arm triangle choke? Are you serious? Brock, the one trick pony? The MMA phony? The most undeserving champion ever in the history of MMA, according to some?

You guys make me laugh! I would have been disappointed if Brock had lost, but would have been relatively happy with Carwin as champ. But what makes me most happy, besides Brock winning, is that everyone who "predicted" a Lesnar loss and were certain of it, were in the end: dead-ass wrong.

[jrow]

Great night of fights this makes the 2nd ppv in a row im glad i bought and i havent been able to say that in a long time cant wait for 117 as stacked a card ive ever seen.So now onto the fight,Lesnar is a beast and so is Carwin.I believe the ref made a good decision not stopping the fight although if he did alot of people wouldnt argue with it,as big of a fight and what it means in a championship fight you need to see this more just let them fight it out and dont stop it till its clear one mans completly done.Carwin needs to work on his cardio but im still impressed his takedown defense and ground and pound was great in the 1st round.Lesnar he was getting it handed to him in the 1st but weathered the storm very good show of heart.Then took him down tapped him out(still cant believe im saying that...lol....ive always wondered what if that mammoth ever tried a submission)Lesnar showed humility and class afterwards and that was great to see,but he definetly needs to work his standup game hard cause it is akward and sloppy.
Cain vs Lesnar isnt going to be a walk in the park as most see it.Cain is gonna give up alot of size and strength but he is gonna have a speed advantage,Cain is gonna be a way better striker and faster striker then lesnar has seen so far.Now the question is can he stop Lesnars takedown and can Lesnar standup long enough to get the takedown.I just cant wait im excited for this fight.

[The Return Of......]

it was a great 1st round by carwin. had it been anyone but brock i think the ref would of stopped the fight. still, he was dazed but never hurt too badly to continue. very very very impressed with brock winning by sub, and i loved how he handled the post fight interview. he gained my respect.

on a side note, i even said to my buddy midway through the first round that brock is gonna win cuz carwin is punching himself out which is exactly what happend

[lwbrewer]

Originally Posted by Lazarus

A lot of people were saying Carwin had the better gas tank because he was training at altitude in Denver. A lot of people were saying he had the better camp because he was with Greg Jackson.

And a LOT of people were saying if Carwin "touched" Lesnar even once it would be nighty-night for Brock...

Were you fools ever wrong rofl! Brock took anywhere from 50-80 punches (depending on which site you read) and, 1)makes Carwin punch himself out, 2)takes Carwin into the second round (never happened before; all those who predicted 1st round KO's/TKO's? WRONG!), and 3) SUBMITS Carwin with an arm triangle choke? Are you serious? Brock, the one trick pony? The MMA phony? The most undeserving champion ever in the history of MMA, according to some?

You guys make me laugh! I would have been disappointed if Brock had lost, but would have been relatively happy with Carwin as champ. But what makes me most happy, besides Brock winning, is that everyone who "predicted" a Lesnar loss and were certain of it, were in the end: dead-ass wrong.

I was one saying Carwin shouldn't gas with high alittide and Jackson, but I also mentioned adreninline dump. Carwin did a sprint to finish and Brock moved the finish line on him. I also picked Brock 2 rd ko check my pick'ems. You can't argue that the fight could of been called in the 1st rd. Carwin has more fights than Brock, but Brocks experience in WWF/E sure helped. Who really knows Brocks camp as it is still building up, and saying Jacksons camp is poor is a foolish statement. It was fun to watch and in a few we will probely see it again if Carwin hangs around

[The Return Of......]

Originally Posted by Lazarus

A lot of people were saying Carwin had the better gas tank because he was training at altitude in Denver. A lot of people were saying he had the better camp because he was with Greg Jackson.

And a LOT of people were saying if Carwin "touched" Lesnar even once it would be nighty-night for Brock...

Were you fools ever wrong rofl! Brock took anywhere from 50-80 punches (depending on which site you read) and, 1)makes Carwin punch himself out, 2)takes Carwin into the second round (never happened before; all those who predicted 1st round KO's/TKO's? WRONG!), and 3) SUBMITS Carwin with an arm triangle choke? Are you serious? Brock, the one trick pony? The MMA phony? The most undeserving champion ever in the history of MMA, according to some?

You guys make me laugh! I would have been disappointed if Brock had lost, but would have been relatively happy with Carwin as champ. But what makes me most happy, besides Brock winning, is that everyone who "predicted" a Lesnar loss and were certain of it, were in the end: dead-ass wrong.

you do realize that the fight could of been called in the first, that brock beat carwin after he gassed, and that had it been anyone but brock they probably would of called the fight??

i mean not to take anything away from lesnar, he did get the sub, but he was owned in the first round like never before and it really all came down to cardio and the adrineline dump. i, for one, am looking forward to a rematch. i have no problem with lesnar as the champ, but i still think if there is a rematch its still a 50 50 shot for either fighter to win

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by The Return Of......

you do realize that the fight could of been called in the first, that brock beat carwin after he gassed, and that had it been anyone but brock they probably would of called the fight??

i mean not to take anything away from lesnar, he did get the sub, but he was owned in the first round like never before and it really all came down to cardio and the adrineline dump. i, for one, am looking forward to a rematch. i have no problem with lesnar as the champ, but i still think if there is a rematch its still a 50 50 shot for either fighter to win

Brock was never out at any point. Even Carwin gave him his props for taking the beating like noone else could.

At the end of the day Lesnar walked out with the strap and made it to the post fight conference. Carwin went straight to the hospital.

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[lwbrewer]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

Brock was never out at any point. Even Carwin gave him his props for taking the beating like noone else could.

At the end of the day Lesnar walked out with the strap and made it to the post fight conference. Carwin went straight to the hospital.

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I think the pressure/hype got to Carwin as I believe he was hyperventilating is why he went to the hospital. Both acted very classy that night, but nervers beat Carwin bad IMHO