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[Piz]

Originally Posted by TBEAR

I am not a Brock fan but, This really is scary for the HW division. If Peter gets Brock's striking just good, it is bad for the rest of the HW. With his size, wrestling, speed, chin, cardio and just ok striking he would be very hard to stop.

Before it starts this is to themab69
Brocks nuts are still sore, he still wants you off them for a few more days.

You hit it on the head TBEAR


Also, not many are bringing up that Brock was out for a year, that has to be a tad-bit difficult to get back in there and fight at your full skill level when out that long.

Honestly, Brock had me worried about his striking (BIG TIME) after this fight, but, it has been a year, and rust def collects with that much time off.


Hopefully his boxing coach can put some boxing sence in that head of his, cause if so, I seriously don't see him losing anytime soon. Once Brock can learn how to stand, bob, and weave instead of folding while punches are being thrown at him, I see someone who is virtually unstoppable.

[TBEAR]

Thanks PLZ

[holymoses]

i thank brock learned his leason with the first mir fight.he didnt over comit with herring just rode sidemount and kneed.chest to chest on mir 2 and he knew he couldnt strike with carwin so they came up with a good defence.got along way to go as far as being the most skilled but when your a beast you can get by

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Personally, I'm a hardcore BJJ guy, but am a solidly behind Lesnar's evolution and think the more he shores up his striking weaknesses, the less threatened he'll be by an Overeem or heaven forbid, even a Fedor.

Lesnar, with all of his grappling and physicality, has nothing but time on his hands to truly evolve and develop and become more and more technically skilled as the days progress... Time is working against those who eventually challenge him, because he's only getting better as the article says.

[maakshif]

Originally Posted by DaAntiMartyr

He's big and a freak of nature but this isn't WWE and getting really punched over and over he showed he wants no part of exchanging blows and if he runs into someone who connects more accurately and can have some actual cardio brock is out cold, his chin is suspect especially since carwin didn't connect all that much before he fell over too tired lol. Brock will be KO'D

so are you saying that the uppercut that landed flush and caused Brock to start running backwards wasn't a hard hit?...I'm fairly certain that shot in itself would have put many if not most all other competitors out...he also landed a lot of other hard flush shots on the ground, though many more were blocked or didn't land flush...Carwin is far and above the hardest puncher in the UFC and Lesnar survived, so IMO I would say Lesnar's chin is nowhere near suspect, he's got a damn good chin

Carwin has cardio, he's an elite level wrestler let's not forget, he just had an adrenaline dump trying to finish the fight and that will take anybody's cardio away and cause your muscles to tighten completely up

btw I can't stand Brock, but you have to give credit where credit is due and not let your like or dislike for a certain fighter cloud your judgement

[Sniggles]

Brock will get KO'd when he decides to stand up with people rather then eat punches then curdle up. There will be a time when he falls in love with stand-up enough to test himself. That time is not this fight, but maybe next.

Cheers to everyone who can't wait to see a highlight reel of Brock getting KO'd.

[goodtimes]

Reading this article, it seems like Brock's coach is basically saying it was their plan for Brock to get rocked, pressed up against the cage, and beat on, because they knew Carwin would gas. Kind of ridiculous, and saying he wasn't worried when the ref could have stopped it 2 or 3 times in the 1st round makes me think the guy is just blowing hot air.

It was a great fight, but I saw nothing that makes me think Brock is invincible. Brock shot in early, and didn't even come close. In the first stand up exchange, he got rocked bad. I think Carwin is just so used to guys not getting up when he unloads he just didn't think it was getting out of the first round, and he paid for it. Brock has been training stand up for years now and it looked very shaky in his last fight. I think if Carwin just picks his shots better(most of his punches were landing on Brock's arms), he would win a rematch. And I don't like Lesnar's chances against Velazquez, his stand up and wrestling technique are very crisp, and while he doesn't have the same kind of power as Carwin, he has tons of cardio and speed.

[Jumbo]

It will take Lesnar many years to master the art of boxing. Time is not on his side as he nears 33 which is nearer the dark half of an athlete's career. Furthermore, he is a pure wrestler. For a wrestler who is conditioned to wrestling his entire life and to now, into his 30s, trying to become comfortable incorporating boxing into his repertoire will take a phenomenal effort.
As you can see with his attitude already, Lesnar opts to hunt deer and drink beer. A true warrior would have been back in the gym the very next day working on their striking. This alone shows you just where Lesnar is headed in his MMA career. He wants money, it's why he's in the game. He's not in the game because he strives to be the greatest MMA fighter of all time.
Furthermore, his striking is so elementary, it would be equivalent to taking a 12 year old novice and putting gloves on him and then trying to train him into becoming a Mike Tyson in a span of a year. It takes years to become even remotely decent.
Also, at the same time, newer younger kids coming into MMA will have a serious advantage over Lesnar. They will already be training in boxing, wrestling and submissions. Lesnar is too late into the game to become apt in striking. His improvements in standup will be minimal. The best thing for him is to do what he does best, wrestle. If a striker comes at him, it's his best bet to take the fight to the ground immediately, not stand up and strike.
But with the evolution of fighters, it will take an even greater effort for Lesnar to take down his opponents who are learning to defend against takedowns. You will notice how Lesnar was unsuccessful taking down Carwin in the first round in 3 seperate attempts. Only when Carwin was an empty vessel in the 2nd round did Lesnar manage to score the takedown. The future for Lesnar looks bleak. Enjoy him while you can. He will not be champion for long.

[The Sword]

Originally Posted by Jumbo

It will take Lesnar many years to master the art of boxing. Time is not on his side as he nears 33 which is nearer the dark half of an athlete's career. Furthermore, he is a pure wrestler. For a wrestler who is conditioned to wrestling his entire life and to now, into his 30s, trying to become comfortable incorporating boxing into his repertoire will take a phenomenal effort.
As you can see with his attitude already, Lesnar opts to hunt deer and drink beer. A true warrior would have been back in the gym the very next day working on their striking. This alone shows you just where Lesnar is headed in his MMA career. He wants money, it's why he's in the game. He's not in the game because he strives to be the greatest MMA fighter of all time.
Furthermore, his striking is so elementary, it would be equivalent to taking a 12 year old novice and putting gloves on him and then trying to train him into becoming a Mike Tyson in a span of a year. It takes years to become even remotely decent.
Also, at the same time, newer younger kids coming into MMA will have a serious advantage over Lesnar. They will already be training in boxing, wrestling and submissions. Lesnar is too late into the game to become apt in striking. His improvements in standup will be minimal. The best thing for him is to do what he does best, wrestle. If a striker comes at him, it's his best bet to take the fight to the ground immediately, not stand up and strike.
But with the evolution of fighters, it will take an even greater effort for Lesnar to take down his opponents who are learning to defend against takedowns. You will notice how Lesnar was unsuccessful taking down Carwin in the first round in 3 seperate attempts. Only when Carwin was an empty vessel in the 2nd round did Lesnar manage to score the takedown. The future for Lesnar looks bleak. Enjoy him while you can. He will not be champion for long.

Dam. I can't stand Brock but even I think this post is retarded. It so full of Crap. I dont even know where to start.

[Jumbo]

Originally Posted by The Sword

Dam. I can't stand Brock but even I think this post is retarded. It so full of Crap. I dont even know where to start.

There's nothing crap about it. My point is Lesnar is not going to improve much on the striking side of MMA. You saw just how little improvement Matt Hughes showed when he tried to add boxing to his arsenal during the evolution of MMA. He failed. As too will Lesnar fail. Wrestlers can't be strikers. You saw for yourself how horrendous Lesnar was with his hands. Luckily for him, Carwin was tired or it would have been over for Lesnar. Furthermore, there are more fighters like Carwin out there with better stamina and better striking. The next phase in the evolution of MMA is coming soon and Lesnar will be out with the old. Much like Matt Hughes.