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[Crystalman7]

Originally Posted by GL Jeff

Sorry to say,but Fedor just lost, hes isnt p4p anything. And if he stays in SF, their isnt anyone that will help him regain his spot. GSP and Anderson are going to be fighting the best of their weight division,while Fedor is tackling the castoffs.

Fedor without a doubt is still the P4P Best Fighter of All Time. Maybe he is not the P4P number 1 right now but over all he is still the number one. And dont worry, Fedor will destroy AO, and after that he will KO Werdun. That is for sure. However that is just my opinion.

[YukonJordan]

Originally Posted by GL Jeff

Sorry to say,but Fedor just lost, hes isnt p4p anything. And if he stays in SF, their isnt anyone that will help him regain his spot. GSP and Anderson are going to be fighting the best of their weight division,while Fedor is tackling the castoffs.

Sorry to say but Fedor is still p4p something. His body of work puts him there. Secondly the HW fighters in Strikeforce stack up rather nicely against the HW's in the UFC. Fedor, Overeem, Werdum, Arlovski, and Silva are all top flight fighters not castoffs. The UFC's new breed of HW, the big four being Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez and Dos Santos for as much hype as they have are largely untested. Fedor or Overeem would likely destroy anyone of those guys.

As far as the p4p top three go, for me it has to be #1 GSP, #2 Silva, #3 Fedor. GSP beat the who's who of welterweight in both getting his titleshot and retaining his title, generally in dominating fashion. Also GSP does not have the emphatic size advantage that most people claim he does. Silva is on the other hand a much larger fighter than his opponents. He also has not been impressive in his last five fights. Fedor only moves to 3 because of the loss and I expect him to leapfrog Silva when he avenges his loss to Werdum (barring a highly impressive from Silva against Sonnen which I don't expect).

[snakebite]

Originally Posted by YukonJordan

Sorry to say but Fedor is still p4p something. His body of work puts him there. Secondly the HW fighters in Strikeforce stack up rather nicely against the HW's in the UFC. Fedor, Overeem, Werdum, Arlovski, and Silva are all top flight fighters not castoffs. The UFC's new breed of HW, the big four being Lesnar, Carwin, Velasquez and Dos Santos for as much hype as they have are largely untested. Fedor or Overeem would likely destroy anyone of those guys.

I agree!! Once again, i dont know why its sooo hard for people to fucking understand. Everyone keeps saying fedor is fighting 2nd rate, and besides the fact majority of his wins were over the top guys at that time, why the fuck are the ufc's "best" hw they have right now more impressive? not saying they suck or anything but Who the fuck has carwin fought? mir and gonzaga wow big deal. Brock fought a weak ass unknown asian, mir twice, an old 45 year old man twice as small as he is and mediocre heath herring. oh and carwin, who we already established has not fought top competion either. Then we have dos santos and cain. Granted they look very impressive, but fight for fight fedor is still better and has still fought better people. Seriously who have they fought that is better then who fedor fought? So everyone can throw that fedor fought no one shit out. Besides that fedor IS fighting top competition still. I dont know how it is every where else in the world, but An ADCC champion is top competition in my book. Fedor will always be pound for pound until someone takes his record out, against people like the people he fought and win like he won.

Not like all these hold down wins that GSP,fitch and others are pulling either. The GOAT cant just win by surviving or fucking dancing and making excuses, you have to win by fighting and dominating. IMO, fedor is still the best. I think its funny how fedor is the most humble guy in the sport. Never said hes the best, even said he dont care about his legacy, he only cares about being a great dad. Yet people just hate him so much! They always say "you cant call yourself the best if your not fighting the best" Guess what? He never called himself the fucking best. I think people pick on fedor because there is nothing actually bad to say about him and people love having dirt on people.

[Caine2878]

^^ I am talking recent fights not his entire body of work. Lets take his last 5 fights. You are going to tell me

Werdum
Brett Rodgers
AA
Timmay
And Hong Man Choi are top talent? You have got to be kidding me. Right now Fedor is NOT fighting top talent and has not done so for the past 3 years.

[TBEAR]

OK so on topic here, (nothing about Fedor)


If GSP moves up, I still dont see him beating Anderson. Anderson will be bigger and as always the better striker.
Plus we have never seen how GSP's body reacts at 185. Is he slower, less explosive, etc.

But all of that does not matter. Anderson has said it is getting harder to make 185. Before GSP moves up Anderson will be at 205.

I hate to say it , but this will always be in the Dream matches section and will never happen IMHO.

[YukonJordan]

Originally Posted by Caine2878

^^ I am talking recent fights not his entire body of work. Lets take his last 5 fights. You are going to tell me

Werdum
Brett Rodgers
AA
Timmay
And Hong Man Choi are top talent? You have got to be kidding me. Right now Fedor is NOT fighting top talent and has not done so for the past 3 years.

The only fighter on that list who isn't really that dangerous is Hong Man Choi, and Fedor only did that one because the Japanese fans love those freak show fights. Other than him, yes that is an impressive list. Especially the win against Tim Sylvia. At the time Sylvia was still a top ranked HW who fucked Big Nog up for 12 minutes before getting caught, and Fedor walked in and destroyed him in 30 seconds.

Now you can't just ignore a fighters career except for his last 5 fights. Certainly recent results should be weighted for more influence than ones further in the past but should not be the sole basis of your analysis.

[Caine2878]

Originally Posted by YukonJordan

The only fighter on that list who isn't really that dangerous is Hong Man Choi, and Fedor only did that one because the Japanese fans love those freak show fights. Other than him, yes that is an impressive list. Especially the win against Tim Sylvia. At the time Sylvia was still a top ranked HW who fucked Big Nog up for 12 minutes before getting caught, and Fedor walked in and destroyed him in 30 seconds.

Now you can't just ignore a fighters career except for his last 5 fights. Certainly recent results should be weighted for more influence than ones further in the past but should not be the sole basis of your analysis.

I don't know maybe when we are talking P4P we are talking about different things. The P4P I am talking about is right now not all time. By your logic you can be a great champ and beat top fighters then fight cans for the next 5 years and still be P4P champ because of your previous wins? I'm not doubting his P4P all time status that is intact but right now I don't think he's #1 P4P. And I'm sorry but in no way was Timmay still a top HW when Fedor fought him please. Then his next fight he gets KO'd in 9 seconds by Ray Mercer????????? Nope sorry can't buy that one.

Also we are not talking who's dangerous hell in MMA everyone is dangerous but top talent those guys are not.

[initial_zen]

Originally Posted by GL Jeff

Sorry to say,but Fedor just lost, hes isnt p4p anything. And if he stays in SF, their isnt anyone that will help him regain his spot. GSP and Anderson are going to be fighting the best of their weight division,while Fedor is tackling the castoffs.

gsp lost to matt hughes which i wouldnt say was that bad back then but wtf he lost to matt serra and your casting fedor aside because he lost one fricken fight to a way higher ranked fighter than serra? i get if your saying as of the moment he just jumped down a bit on the p4p ranks and has to work his way up, but not p4p anything is a joke... how about p4p best fighter in the history of mma.. maybe not as of now, but if your looking at overall career he gets my vote

Originally Posted by Caine2878

With Fedor fighting the level of talent he is fighting I honestly can see Anderson or GSP passing him up. IMO I don't care what your record is if you continue to fight second rate talent then I don't think you should remain p4p champ. Just my thoughts on Fedor.

i agree with some of this, but imo werdum isnt second rate talent... bret rogers certainly is but not werdum. IMO neither was silva or arlovski (Who was on a pretty good win streak) at the time he fought both of them.

[braddahmatt]

P4P is skill for skill... take all weight advantages, age, recent activity, etc away... Mohammad Ali is retired but still considered one of the best p4p fighters in the world.

That being said, Fedor has shown throughout his career he is among the best regardless of who he has fought recently. I think that's more affecting his legacy and not his p4p status.

[lwbrewer]

GSP doesn't like to take chances so I see him retireing early, but I don't see a Anderson fight in the future. Both are on a move upward were weight wise GSP will never catch up, and he'll never put himself to far out and chance a loss.
On the P4P ranking I'd say Fedor fell out of that status for now, but GOAT is a more appropriate title for him, that GSP or Spider haven't got to yet.