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[Pasha K]

Originally Posted by Caine2878

^^ I am talking recent fights not his entire body of work. Lets take his last 5 fights. You are going to tell me

Werdum
Brett Rodgers
AA
Timmay
And Hong Man Choi are top talent? You have got to be kidding me. Right now Fedor is NOT fighting top talent and has not done so for the past 3 years.

Yes my friend at the time of the fight 4 of them were Top fighters.
He fought Choi only because japanese people love to see frekshows, for the same reason he fought Zulu.

Seems that people dont remember at all how Tim Sylvia was a actually a Top 5 fighter 2 years ago and how much people were saying that Tim is the first good fighter that fedor ever faces and how Tim would destroy him. After Fedor humiliated Tim and make all those people look like retards they suddenly began to said that Tim was always overrated and all that.

About Arlovsky, damn, that fight happened just a year and a half ago (seriously some of you guys began watching MMA like 6 months ago right?) and people dont remember that he was No. 3 in any ranking?
many people thought that Andrei would beat fedor, at the time Arlvoksy was ranked higher than Brock, and at the time no one knew who the fuck were Cain, Carwin or JDS. Of course fedor defeated Arlvosky and of course Fedor haters began to say that Arlovksy is not more than a glass jaw, he sucks and he was destroying fedor before that "lucky punch"

Then Brett Rogers (not Rodgers), he was not a Top 5, but he was a Top 10m he was considered very dangerous and when fedor defeated him people began to say bad things about him.

Finally Werdum, the guy has arguably the best BJJ in the whole HW division, he is a very serious fighter and in any rankings he was Top 10 fighter. He was the one who defeated Fedor and many people still considers Werdum as a B level fighter who failed in UFC, and of course fedor is a garbage for losing to that B level fighter.


So yes, you can say whatever you want but facts are facts. Those fighters were Top fighters at the time. I am sure that if Fedor now fights Lesnar and beats him haters are going to say that brock was always overrated and that fedor only fights cans, that he would get destroyed by Cain, and when fedor beats cain people are going to say that cain is a nobodie...and it will always be like that.

To the new fans I will tell you a secret: For your information there was a time when Mirko and Nog were Top 3 fighters and fedor defeated them in their prime. I tell you that only because I am afraid you will say "Mirko and Nog cant do anything in UFC so they suck and Fedor´s vixtories over them are nothing significant"

[GL Jeff]

So many nuthugging posts to reply to, I will just lump you all in together.

Someone else said it earlier. Look who Fedor has fought. Hell, lets go back to his last 10 fights.

10-Cro Cop- This was his last decent win.

9-Zuluzinho- Come on, freak show fight.

8-Coleman- He was a minor threat the first fight. And look what hes done since, one win against Bonnar, and it was LnP for 3 rounds.

7-Mark Hunt- I give the guy props in kickboxing,but when it comes to MMA, not that good,5-6.

6-Matt Lindland- Umm,isnt he that guy that fights at 185? Gratz on that win sir.

5-HMC-They call this guy the glacier, because he moves very slowly,in one direction. Not to mention, Cro Cop beat him with a leg kick, and not the old Cro Cop either.

4- Tim Sylvia-He was coming of a loss when he fought Fedor. And then lost to Mercer in 9 seconds, thats 25 seconds faster then Fedor. He has wont his last two against Jason Riley(I dunno who he is) and Pudzilla.

3- Andrei Arlovski- Now this would of been a very solid win, except AA has gone on to lose to Brett Rogers and Antonio Silva.

2- Brett Rogers- Who? His biggest win is against AA,which is very decent. But hes really a nobody who just beat some nobody's. And he just got OWNED by AO.

1- Fabricio Werdum- The guy who beat Fedor.

So, why is Fedor still thought of as the best fighter in the world? I went back 10 fights, 5 years. Low quality opponents for the most part, and the ones that were considered threats have all been on the slide for the most part after. Sometimes its just good to let go.

Go look up GSP's record, last 10 fighters over 4 years,hes beaten Hughes x2, Bj Penn x2, Fitch, Kos, Alves and more. Some of the best fighters in their weight division, and the world. He lost to Hughes when Hughes was reigning supreme only to come back and demo him twice. And his lose to Serra was avenged.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Would love to see that fight. GSP better be ready for koscheck, it will be his toughest title defense to date. Kos is the last guy to take a round from gsp. He was surprised at gsp's speed of his takedowns in the first fight and said that he is going to get it to a point where gsp will be forced to stand with him, Kos has speed as well. Kos has better power and always will have a chance of ko'in gsp. Dont forget that Kos can get gsp down as well. Im still goin with gsp but kos has a better chance than anyone else at ww.

[SimpleJack]

Jeff-

You can't be serious with your last, obviously biased post.

You could easily dismiss every fighter on GSP's list just like you did Fedor's.....

For example:

BJ Penn- Isn't he that guy who fights at 155???

Matt Hughes- Maybe in his prime, but he turned around immediately after the GSP fight and was KO'ed by Alves

Serra- Far and away the underdog, KO's GSP. It was later avenged, but the fact remains.

Koscheck- LNP'ed his way to a title fight where he lost badly then went on to lose decision to Alves and KO'ed HORRIBLY by Thiago

Alves- Isn't that the guy who couldn't make weight?


See how easy that was?

Now, do I believe it? No way.

In all actuality, both have beaten 3 former champs in their last 10 fights and both secured their spots on the P4P list long ago.

And just food for thought, losing to Werdum is not something to hang your head about and people need to consider that a loss was inevitable after 10 years without one. And the people who say Werdum couldn't cut it in the UFC are obviously mentally disabled.

[Caine2878]

I'm not a Fedor hater I just don't think he is P4P champ right now. Oh and forgive me for misspelling Rogers name like it mattered.

And to the guy that said Ali is still considered a P4P great if you read the posts we are talking about P4P right now not all time. As I said in a previous post I'm not doubting his P4P status all time just right now.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by Pashak

Fedor is still around so its a bit hard to become P4P best fighter.

To be honest I dont even know if GSP vs Anderson will happen one day

Everybody and their mama's brother's 2nd cousin wants to fight Silva. So somebody has got to weight in line and anyways Silva doesn't have anything to gain by beating GSP. If he wins he was suppose to.

As far as Fedor he is being overlooked because of whom and where he choses to fight.

Also btw Caine:
If we are talking about p4p fighters of all time then that title goes to Floyd Mayweather whom is still active and has a better record than any fighter you can think of in any sport.

Mayweather: 41 - 0
Fedor: 35 - 2
Ali: 56 - 5 (I think)
Manny Pacquiao: 51 - 3

[rob_bills]

This thread is gonna blow up, i bet that anderson will retire before GSP does anyway. I think if they fought The Spider would pick him apart

[TheKidInside]

Originally Posted by GL Jeff

Sorry to say,but Fedor just lost, hes isnt p4p anything. And if he stays in SF, their isnt anyone that will help him regain his spot. GSP and Anderson are going to be fighting the best of their weight division,while Fedor is tackling the castoffs.

yeah except Sherdog doesn't mean jack shit...Fedor has been dominant for A DECADE, therefor GOAT

Silva has been dominant for only about 3 years as has GSP so they have nothing on Fedor.

[TBEAR]

Here is my question of the day:

Why is everyone so caught up on this P4P s&^t????? It is a ranking that does not matter IMO

[TheKidInside]

no it really doesn't especially since half the idiots out there do not even know what p4p means...oh yeah, googling something and getting the answer doesn't mean you understand it.

point b. hindsight is 20/20 Jeff.