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08-02-2010, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jumbo If every fighter hopes to emulate GSP, MMA is dead within 2 years. He and Anderson are on par as the two most boring motherf*ckers in MMA today, even despite their skill level. | Man, Anderson isn't a boring fighter. I mean sure he didn't put on a great performance against Maia, because he didn't engage, but just watch the Griffin/Anderson fight, that wasn't boring at all. I assume you've based that statement on the Maia fight, because if you watch a lot of Silva's other fights, he's great to watch. His finesse when striking, the combo's he puts together, the way he switches through his different striking techniques.
As for GSP, I'd have to agree, I hardly get excited at all now when i hear GSP is fighting, simply because we all know GSP isn't going to take any chances, he's gonna play the safe option (get the takedown, gain a position, do some damage, get a decision), and probably come out with the W. I mean he's quite interesting to watch on the ground at times, like in the Penn/GSP 2 fight, as the battle for positions was great to watch, but for a fighter who is SO well rounded, there is little diversity in GSP's game plan, whatever the fight.
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08-02-2010, 09:01 AM
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I love watching GSP because he nullifies all of his opponents strengths. Dan Hardy and Thiago Alves best chances to win were by landing some solid strikes, so GSP put them on their backs round after round. When he fought Jon Fitch GSP punished him standing for 5 rounds because Fitch is a great wrestler. In GSP-Penn 1 Georges got his face pounded and had to go to the hospital after the fight. In the rematch he put BJ on his back for 4 rounds and pounded him into submission. Just because GSP doesn't get a dynamic KO or sub doesn't mean he's not entertaining. If you truly appreciate the technical aspects of the sport GSP is great. He's aggressive at all times, but doesn't take any unnecessary risks to earn a TKO.
Anderson Silva is different. Against Cote, Leites, and Maia he was not agressive at all and content to counter his way to a decision while clowning around. GSP presses the action. Anderson Silva does not.
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08-02-2010, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Adambomb I love watching GSP because he nullifies all of his opponents strengths. Dan Hardy and Thiago Alves best chances to win were by landing some solid strikes, so GSP put them on their backs round after round. When he fought Jon Fitch GSP punished him standing for 5 rounds because Fitch is a great wrestler. In GSP-Penn 1 Georges got his face pounded and had to go to the hospital after the fight. In the rematch he put BJ on his back for 4 rounds and pounded him into submission. Just because GSP doesn't get a dynamic KO or sub doesn't mean he's not entertaining. If you truly appreciate the technical aspects of the sport GSP is great. He's aggressive at all times, but doesn't take any unnecessary risks to earn a TKO.
Anderson Silva is different. Against Cote, Leites, and Maia he was not agressive at all and content to counter his way to a decision while clowning around. GSP presses the action. Anderson Silva does not. | You raise a good point in saying he neutralises his opponents,and he does a very good job of it. But when it comes to 5-round championship fights, it can wear a bit thin when a guy is simply laying and praying, occasionally working dominant positions, and wearing his opponent down. I mean it's strange because I really do appreciate GSP's skills, and how dynamic he is, but I guess... and this is going to sound weird... but when he is completely dominating his opponent, but not appearing to do that much damage, it almost takes the exciting competition aspect away from the fights. To some extent, it's almost because GSP is such a well-rounded fighter, that his fights lack excitement.
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08-02-2010, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DanC You raise a good point in saying he neutralises his opponents,and he does a very good job of it. But when it comes to 5-round championship fights, it can wear a bit thin when a guy is simply laying and praying, occasionally working dominant positions, and wearing his opponent down. I mean it's strange because I really do appreciate GSP's skills, and how dynamic he is, but I guess... and this is going to sound weird... but when he is completely dominating his opponent, but not appearing to do that much damage, it almost takes the exciting competition aspect away from the fights. To some extent, it's almost because GSP is such a well-rounded fighter, that his fights lack excitement. | When you are the champion you fight to win. GSP's domination is equivalent to a football, basketball, hockey, or soccer team blowing out their opponents by a wide margin. However, GSP's dominance differs from team sports in that he's always agressive. He doesn't backpeddle or try to run out the clock like some fighters or teams do when they're up big on the scoreboard. While it certainly isn't dramatic, I think it's fun to watch the best in the world apply his craft so utterly and irrefutably effectively.
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08-02-2010, 05:31 PM
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Lay n' pray? We've all seen lay n' pray. There's no prayin' involved with GSP. GSP CONSTANTLY tries to advance his position and does damage from the top (via elbow or knees to the body). I don't need to see a KO or sub every fight. I watch GSP's fights to see how he completely and utterly demoralizes his opponents. He breaks their fucking spirits. THAT is entertaining to me.
If I wanted to see two guys throwing haymakers at eachother until one guy falls down into a gelatinous heap, I'd skip watching MIXED martial arts and just watch boxing.
And anybody who disses GSP's style must fucking DESPISE Sonnen, Askren and Fitch.
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08-02-2010, 05:39 PM
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Love how we always see that GSP is trying to improve his game, if he keeps training like this, i dont think we will see alot more five rounded decs. Minor mistakes stopped him from finishing hardy, fix those minor mistakes, and the fight would have been finished...now he is training with gracie..kudos gsp. Smart move
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08-02-2010, 06:07 PM
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Hate or no hate, GSP is the best fighter right now, hands down, and will only get better, I love hearing all these fools talk shit on how he fights, GTFO!
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08-03-2010, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Adambomb When you are the champion you fight to win. GSP's domination is equivalent to a football, basketball, hockey, or soccer team blowing out their opponents by a wide margin. However, GSP's dominance differs from team sports in that he's always agressive. He doesn't backpeddle or try to run out the clock like some fighters or teams do when they're up big on the scoreboard. While it certainly isn't dramatic, I think it's fun to watch the best in the world apply his craft so utterly and irrefutably effectively. | Yeah, i agree, i mean GSP even said himself, and i quote:
"I'm fighting safe," St-Pierre admitted. "Every time I step into the octagon, my life is in jeopardy. For me, it's more important to not get hit than to hit the guy. I will never fight in a way [in which] I fight like I flip a coin."
I'm not taking anything at all away from him, he's an incredible fighter, he really is, and I know what you guys mean about seeing how his ground game works is interesting, and if you read my last post I was saying how because of how dominant and skillful he is on the ground, there's almost no competition aspect, because he holds complete control. That's a compliment, and i'm saying that it doesn't make for the most exciting fights, but it gets the job done.
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