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08-06-2010, 07:07 AM
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|  Why rematches are NOT pointless: The List
For all those of you that think rematches are predetermined, boring, or pointless.
I'm doing this off the top of my head so there could be mistakes, and there will definitely be omissions. Please contribute.
The only requirement to make the list is for the fight to be entertaining.
I think this should be made a sticky. Mods.
DIFFERENT RESULT:
Liddell vs Couture II & III
Horn vs Liddell II
Cung Le vs Scott Smith II
Penn vs Pulver II
GSP vs Hughes II & III
Jackson vs Wanderlei III
Penn vs Hughes II
Wanderlei vs Cro Cop II
Wanderlei vs Arona II
Sylvia vs Arlovski II
Forrest vs Tito II
GSP vs Serra II
Lesnar vs Mir II
Fisher vs Stout II
Shogun vs Machida II
Lil' Nog vs Matyushenko II
SAME RESULT:
Liddell vs Tito II
Trigg vs Hughes II
Liddell vs Sobral II
Jackson vs Wanderlei II
Rizzo vs Couture II
Jackson vs Liddell II
Cro Cop vs Barnett II & III
Silva vs Franklin II
Wanderlei vs Sakuraba II & III
BJ vs GSP II
Big Nog vs Fedor III
Big Nog vs Herring II & III
Fedor vs Coleman II
Lil Nog vs Overeem II
Tito vs Ken II & III
Hughes vs Newton II
Tanner vs Franklin II
Cruz vs Benavidez II
Henderson vs Cerrone II
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08-06-2010, 07:12 AM
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The issue isn't against rematches, it's against immediate rematches. Most of the issue currently is with Fedor/Werdum because people want to see if Fedor can get some payback. I have no problem with a fighter losing a match, fighting a fight or two and earning a rematch with a fighter. Situations like Gsp/Hughes and Franklin/Silva are perfect examples. They both earned their chance at a rematch, and weren't merely given one. Shogun/Machida is the exception due to the extreme closeness and controversy of the finish.
If you get beat by a guy, earn your way back. Show you're worthy of a rematch. Crying to the promoter doesn't show you're worthy.
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08-06-2010, 07:26 AM
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Good list. I think that rematches are fine, again if they are warranted.
Hughes vs. Newton 2 had the same outcome as the first fight (i know it was contraversial but it is on the record as a W for Hughes)
You could add the Ortiz Shamrock cronicals in the same result catagory.
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08-06-2010, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by GangGreenWarrior  The issue isn't against rematches, it's against immediate rematches. Most of the issue currently is with Fedor/Werdum because people want to see if Fedor can get some payback. I have no problem with a fighter losing a match, fighting a fight or two and earning a rematch with a fighter. Situations like Gsp/Hughes and Franklin/Silva are perfect examples. They both earned their chance at a rematch, and weren't merely given one. Shogun/Machida is the exception due to the extreme closeness and controversy of the finish.
If you get beat by a guy, earn your way back. Show you're worthy of a rematch. Crying to the promoter doesn't show you're worthy. | Exactly, I'm all for rematches if they are needed. Immediate rematches is alright if the fight ends up like Shogun-Machida or Danzig-Wiman to name a few.
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08-06-2010, 08:42 AM
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I think that an immediate rematch is necessary if the judging was poor, but not if they just flat out lost the fight. So in the case of Shogun-Machida, the instant rematch made sense. In the case of Fedor-Werdum, I don't think so and that is coming from a huge Fedor fan.
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08-06-2010, 08:43 AM
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so what about back to back to back ones by a champ?
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08-06-2010, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by built1052 I think that an immediate rematch is necessary if the judging was poor, but not if they just flat out lost the fight. So in the case of Shogun-Machida, the instant rematch made sense. In the case of Fedor-Werdum, I don't think so and that is coming from a huge Fedor fan. | i would agree with you if it was anyone other than fedor. and is coming from someone who respects fedor but isnt his biggest fan.
when you go 10 years undefeated and you finally lose a fight..................
yea you deserve a mulligan if you so choose
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08-06-2010, 10:44 AM
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I am starting to think GSP is gonna start giving alot of rematches to guys he'd clearly beat. KOS is the first one, although I think it could be a more exciting fight this time around I don't see KOS really beating GSP. Then Dana White refers to GSP having to "clear out" his division by fighting guys like Fitch, Alves, and KOS. Guys he'd already beat......that's when fans get annoyed I think.....
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08-06-2010, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SWIFTboy For all those of you that think rematches are predetermined, boring, or pointless.
I'm doing this off the top of my head so there could be mistakes, and there will definitely be omissions. Please contribute.
The only requirement to make the list is for the fight to be entertaining.
I think this should be made a sticky. Mods.
DIFFERENT RESULT:
Liddell vs Couture II & III
Horn vs Liddell II
Cung Le vs Scott Smith II
Penn vs Pulver II
GSP vs Hughes II & III
Jackson vs Wanderlei III
Penn vs Hughes II
Wanderlei vs Cro Cop II
Wanderlei vs Arona II
Sylvia vs Arlovski II
Forrest vs Tito II
GSP vs Serra II
Lesnar vs Mir II
Fisher vs Stout II
Tanner vs Franklin II
Shogun vs Machida II
SAME RESULT:
Liddell vs Tito II
Trigg vs Hughes II
Liddell vs Sobral II
Jackson vs Wanderlei II
Rizzo vs Couture II
Jackson vs Liddell II
Cro Cop vs Barnett II & III
Silva vs Franklin II
Wanderlei vs Sakuraba II & III
BJ vs GSP II
Big Nog vs Fedor III
Big Nog vs Herring II & III
Fedor vs Coleman II
Lil Nog vs Overeem II
Tito vs Ken II & III
Hughes vs Newton II | unless I wrong and I do think I am Rich beat tanner both times did he not???
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08-06-2010, 11:08 AM
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A lot of the different result category fights were either fought a while after one fighter was in their prime (cough...Jens....cough) or the first fight was a fluke. But still, some very good examples.
I think rematches are warranted when the losing fighter has made a lot of progress (like Thiago Alves) or the fight was ended controversially (Johnson and Burns comes to mind). Close fights sometimes make for good rematches, but often the magic just isn't there again (Griffin and Bonnar).
Immediate rematches should only happen if the match ends in a bizarre and unfair way or if a champion who has defended his belt multiple time loses (BJ Penn, for example).
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