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[TheKidInside]

Originally Posted by apardo

Ive never liked BJ and its annoying now that every time he looses he comes back "excited, prepared, motivated, etc" and a "motivated" BJ is unbeatable and this and that.

two people that supposedly have "Controversial" wins to BJ have manhandled him on the second occasion. GSP made his corner toss in the towel and now Edgar completely shattered him.

I still have my respects to BJ as a fighter, the guy has alot of talent, and if he was to really sit down with another camp and see his fights or his skills from a different perspective, man he can be a greater fighter than he already is naturally, I also dont think he is done per say, but his Era definitely is, Its Franky's time to shine!

agreed. He can't use that excited prepared motivated focused" nonsense. this needs to change, he needs to broaden his game plan and the take downs were great and he should've been using that from the beginning and setting them up with actually attacking with striking not just standing there hoping to counter.

[RearNakedStroke]

Originally Posted by FarBeyndDrvn

Sounds good to me! I sure can't wait to watch another Countdown to UFC to hear Penn tell us how if Edgar's corner didn't lift him on their shoulders for their second fight, he might not have won. Nice advice though last night from his corner, telling him so eloquently to "get that cocksucker." Delusion's of a champion is right, B.J.

Its obvious that you don't like BJ Penn or his corner, but I'm pretty sure this thread is about whether BJ is overrated. Do you have an opinion on that or did you just come through to bash a fighter and ad nothing?
Don't quote me and spew bullshit afterward.

[BBG]

BJ Penn is far from overated. He is the bar that we measure others against, in order to validate ratings. Lets not be fucking idiots and believe that Penn is "not that good". That discounts everything Frankie did last night. Edgar proved he has skill, heart, technique and potential. The things that made and make Penn great today. He is only going to get better and scarier. The same thing we see in BJ. Im am the last one to defend the douche, but as a fighter, he still is IMO the most dangerous LW's in the world. He could come back and steamroll some guys, who knows, but he is far from overated. There are just some up and coming guys who are getting better and BJ might just be in a stalling period right now.

He only 31! He has done so much for this sport its remarkable.

On a side note, I came across a old thread where people were saying NOONE can beat BJ and there are no more contenders at LW...Amazing looking back at that thread now, 6 months later...

[Caine2878]

To claim a fighter is overrated because of a loss is ridiculous. Styles make fights and Frankie's style just has BJ's number.

I don't know what was going on with BJ last night but he did not look like his head was in the game at all. He looked distant. His corner is probably one of the worst in the game. They gave him no technical instructions just some BS trying to motivate him. Instead of telling him he's so much stronger than Frankie how about telling him what to do with that strength advantage.

[Dr. MMA]

Calling BJ overrated is probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard. He's a fantastic fighter, who has beat many greats and is a multi-division champion. The fact is that Edgar did well in the first fight and outworked BJ in the second fight.

The thing I've always felt about BJ is that he breaks down if things don't go his way. He is usually a very strong starter and fades (not because of his cardio). As soon as the fight started, he looked very determined to cut off the cage and get off first, but then when Edgar got the first takedown, BJ started chasing him around. When Edgar got the slam, that started to break him and make him more cautious. I think the final straw came when he couldn't capitalize on the takedown. He should've kept going for it, especially in the first 3 rounds. Even BJ's leg kicks were landing, which would've slowed Edgar down a lot.

BJ has all the tools to beat any lightweight, but in this fight, he wasn't utilizing them effectively. The game plan and the advice from his corner was terrible. I don't even think it was his corner who told BJ to go for the takedown, BJ did it himself. I always thought that BJ should change camps even when he was winning. The last 2 fights just prove it more.

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by Rumble

He is one of only 2 fighters to hold 2 titles in 2 different weight classes...

That line right there pretty much contradicts the entire article. Another piece of garbage from bloodyelbow, kind of getting used to that by now though.

[snakebite]

OMG!! whoever wrote this article is a total fucking idiot How the fuck do these mma wrters get jobs?! They never know what the fuck they are talking about. A true mma reporter should really be a natural liflong fan of the sport, and not some fucking asshole analyst who jumps on the fame train because MMA is blowing up right now. Half of the people on this forum have better views then most mma journalist do. Even if someone else on here explained there views on why BJ might be overated i would be willing to bet it would be better then thid fuck heads article. Seriously?! NOTHING TO SHOW FOR HIS CAREER?!?! What the fuck is this douche bagel talking about?! I think bj should call this guys out.

[vegas bushido]

Seriously, does anyone on this board understand what the term "overrated" means? Every fucking time somebody says BJ Penn is overrated it becomes some type of sin against god. Overrated is a relative term that means someone is not as good as the general rating or hype fixed upon them and the general consensus from most of the people around here is that Penn is either p4p top 2 or so. That simply isn't true which means that Penn is overrated. If everyone where to say that Frankie Edgar is the best fighter to ever live then he would be overrated because we all know that isnt true. Overrated doesn't mean that someone is not good, it simply means that their fighting ability is over magnified. If you don't agree with that then I really don't know what else to tell you. Go make a shrine to BJ I guess?

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by RearNakedStroke

I guess a fighter is only as good as his last fight.
Lets just discount everything the most dominant LW in UFC history has done because another fighter apparently has his number.

Are you a fucking idiot? Why may every ask that I say this? Well because of not what he says here but for the fact that he gave me neg rep because of an article I didn't write but I guess he thought I wrote. Hey dumb ass, it was an article not written by me but posted to engage discussion. That's what this board is, a discussion board you nut hugging tool. If you look around, it's me posting most of the forum's articles so that the users have something to read and discuss. You want to start adding something to the board, then go for it. But first, you need to put on your Dunce cap and go sit in the corner with the kid who eats mayo from the jar.

[Caine2878]

Originally Posted by vegas bushido

Seriously, does anyone on this board understand what the term "overrated" means? Every fucking time somebody says BJ Penn is overrated it becomes some type of sin against god. Overrated is a relative term that means someone is not as good as the general rating or hype fixed upon them and the general consensus from most of the people around here is that Penn is either p4p top 2 or so. That simply isn't true which means that Penn is overrated. If everyone where to say that Frankie Edgar is the best fighter to ever live then he would be overrated because we all know that isnt true. Overrated doesn't mean that someone is not good, it simply means that their fighting ability is over magnified. If you don't agree with that then I really don't know what else to tell you. Go make a shrine to BJ I guess?

Not even a BJ fan but he is far from overrated. And who has him top 2 p4p? Maybe 4 or 5 but I haven't seen any list that has him top two. The man is arguably the greatest LW ever and because one person (not named GSP) has his number he is all of a sudden overrated?