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[xdevilhawk138x]

Kenny Chokes more than a Sasha Grey Session

[Xtremo]

Originally Posted by dbader08

So his wrestling Coach's name is Sean Gray...isn't that somewhat ironic lol

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[GL Jeff]

Originally Posted by 23Xtreme

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I think their thinking of Maynard.

Kenny is the ultimate gatekeeper, hes going to beat most guys at LHW, I think he would even beat Edgar. Hope he comes back,and pushes the fight,I think when hes On hes unbeatable,but sometimes he waits to long to pull the trigger.

[jwwpua]

He should train with Sonnen as he has arguably the best wrestling in MMA. Perhaps Chael could even get him to be more aggressive.

[IceCold48]

Originally Posted by xdevilhawk138x

Kenny Chokes more than a Sasha Grey Session

disagree 7 main events 5 wins not really a choker.

his 4 loses are bj and sherk who were both monsters at that point everyone was talking about how bj was the best he ever was at that point.

diego was so long ago and he wasnt even close to being the fighter he is today or even a fighter at all. he also really shouldnt of been in that fight since leben was killing him but got cut late and the doctor stopped it.

and obviously we all saw the maynard fight at 118. pretty much had a straight up shitty gameplan imo.

[CJRockstar]

it's hard to teach a wrestler to use jiu jitsu, and it's hard to teach a jiu jitsu guy to use wrestling. I don't see this being the answer to Kenny's problem. Retirement is probably the only answer at this point.

[KnowledgeKnown]

How can anyone say it's not his wrestling? It's not his takedown defense? The best bjj practitioners will tell you they'd rather NOT fight from they're back. Fighting from your guard is not optimum.

This is why wrestlers are having such great success. All they need to work on is submission defense while in a dominant position. It's extremely unlikely a BJJ guy will takedown a wrestler. So if you get well versed enough in submission defense, a BJJ guy is in trouble.

This is why I can't understand BJJ practitioners not doing everything in their power to master takedown defense.

My instructor always says position before submission. In other words, never put yourself into guard in order to try to pull off a submission. Get top position and work from there.

And wrestlers do seem to adapt to BJJ easier than the reverse. Some of the top ranked submission grapplers are former or current college wrestlers.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Originally Posted by KnowledgeKnown

How can anyone say it's not his wrestling? It's not his takedown defense? The best bjj practitioners will tell you they'd rather NOT fight from they're back. Fighting from your guard is not optimum.

This is why wrestlers are having such great success. All they need to work on is submission defense while in a dominant position. It's extremely unlikely a BJJ guy will takedown a wrestler. So if you get well versed enough in submission defense, a BJJ guy is in trouble.

This is why I can't understand BJJ practitioners not doing everything in their power to master takedown defense.

My instructor always says position before submission. In other words, never put yourself into guard in order to try to pull off a submission. Get top position and work from there.

And wrestlers do seem to adapt to BJJ easier than the reverse. Some of the top ranked submission grapplers are former or current college wrestlers.

I completely understand and agree with what you're saying in theory, however where I'm coming from is more or less conceding that Kenny's probably going to get taken down against elite level wrestlers(not just really really good wrestlers like Joe and Clay) no matter how much wrestling he trains and how much TDD he applies, because he ends up deviating from his core gameplan so much in attempt to nullify the takedown, that he ends up losing alot of his core attack. Looking at it from a perspective that he'll probably be working off his back, I think his jits is more refined and able to be improved upon moreso than his wrestling and utilizing a better guard and sweeps may be more condusive to a better defense against wrestlers considering how Kenny approaches that stylsitic fight.

[KnowledgeKnown]

Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre

I completely understand and agree with what you're saying in theory, however where I'm coming from is more or less conceding that Kenny's probably going to get taken down against elite level wrestlers(not just really really good wrestlers like Joe and Clay) no matter how much wrestling he trains and how much TDD he applies, because he ends up deviating from his core gameplan so much in attempt to nullify the takedown, that he ends up losing alot of his core attack. Looking at it from a perspective that he'll probably be working off his back, I think his jits is more refined and able to be improved upon moreso than his wrestling and utilizing a better guard and sweeps may be more condusive to a better defense against wrestlers considering how Kenny approaches that stylsitic fight.

Fair enough. And right now in Kenny's skill set I agree. I just feel if he worked his TDD enough, he could get it to the point where he could defend against virtually anyone. But perhaps not. I do feel I can takedown almost anyone because it's second nature to me.

So perhaps you're right when it comes to truly elite wrestlers and Ken Florian.

[dgil]

Originally Posted by 23Xtreme

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Sean Sherk and Gray Maynard have both out-wrestled Kenny.