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Even though I purchase every ppv, I still think they should either make them cheaper and/or include every fight on the ppv.
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Even though I purchase every ppv, I still think they should either make them cheaper and/or include every fight on the ppv.
I couldn't agree more. I'm sick of spending money on PPV's to see only a handfull fights. Showing the undercard would also be great exposure for all the lesser known fighters. I'm all for it.
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Oh and how about this one?

Lack of Personality. Ya know Mohammad Ali was like a shot in the arm for boxing, his skill and persona elevated the sport to unprecedented levels. Most fighters are boring to listen to and come across as awkward when promoting fights. Not saying that fighters need to be like pro wrestlers, but sometimes I wonder what average fans are thinking when they hear those boring interviews. Maybe that's just the way it will always be, and maybe that's what makes guys like Sonnen, Don Frye, Bas Rutten, Jason Miller, and other personalities in MMA so special. But it would be nice if guys would show a bit more personality and not play it so safe in front of the camera, most fighters are probably pretty funny and personable when you get them away from a camera.....
Randy's personality doesn't sell PPVs. Mayhem/Sonnen does.

Someone earlier compared it to pro-wrestling pre fight hype. I compare it more closely to boxers trying to hype fights. Both are PPV, both have 2 fighters who seriously think they are going to destroy one another. I have no problems with any fighters pre-fight hype....except when they don't follow through with what they say (again comparable to Mike Tyson's last few fights...talking the talk, but unable to walk the walk)

Freak fights hurt MMA...like Toney, or any other person who wants to fight that doesn't understand what all aspects of MMA.

Amateur MMA should be pushed heavily in every state and country, have agreed upon standard rules for all....even if they make it safer, like shootwrestling or Pancrase (no closed fist shots to the face)

Basically, if you can get your average soccer mom to watch an MMA event and not cringe or roll their eyes or suck their teeth, then you have achieved success.

Keep improving announcing. They should try and better explain why fighters don't try this or that, or what they are trying to do and why they can't.

I think what does hurt MMA, honestly, is perceived violence and conservative people. Basically people not understanding the sport. People who don't know what they are talking about, but are more than happy to let you know what fighters should do in a fight.

People who know little about the sport but talk about it. There should be more MMA lobbyists/reporters willing to report on TV channels behalf. When the UFC or any organization comes to town, they put a random reporter to talk about the event or how it is affecting the city. I have noticed our local sports radio station recently had one of the owners of Bloodyelbow on his radio show. Normally the sports radio show will talk about hockey, baseball and some football, but when there is a local MMA event, they just don't have the knowledge to talk about anything intelligent relating to the event. I think all of the knowledgeable reporters in MMA should keep trying to touch new markets and try to help other people understand what people are talking about.

Another example would be the show Pardon the Interruption (PTI) Both reporters are over 50, going on 60 and when it comes to MMA, their comments make me cringe in an awkward way, because they are really out of their element and don't really get it. Same when my local TV sports guy does his 10-20 seconds segment on the most recent MMA or even UFC event.

It would be nice if their was like a MMA reporters union that has a small budget to do their own reports for the Associated Press. If the knowledgeable reporters attended events, did on the scene reports and then released these reports to the Associated Press, then I wouldn't be forced to listen to some ex football or hockey player turned sportscaster try and report on a sport he really doesn't know much about.

More and more celebrities attending fights, and interview them on why they like fights. Maybe have MMA awards, where all the reporters vote in different categories for all things MMA. If my mom were to see George Cloney talk about why he loves MMA, they maybe she would like it better.

Most of my ideas require that MMA reporters work together to help expand the sport in the right direction.

I agree with an article posted on here about a week ago dissing the good old boys mentality of some commissions. Like having a former boxing ref get seniority to ref an MMA fight over a John McCarthy approved ref. Athletic and boxing commissions are created by the government for the public yet for some reason, most commissions records and information is private. It would be nice if their was an authority for MMA in the US or world. Rank referees and judges like NFL or NHL referees and make their work not seniority based but performance based.

So when a commissions looks up Cecil Peoples or Doc Hamilton, Jon Schorle, or whoever, they can see what kind of guy they are getting. In boxing this was done by HBO. I would like UFC to do the same if they believe in the commission that sanctions their fights. Like in an HBO Friday Night Fights or whatever, when the ring announcer lists the judges, they show the judges 3 most controversial fights and their decisions in those fights. Announcers aren't afraid to comment on the judges and public vilify them....like Teddy Atlas going off in the Emanuel Burton fight. I would like to see the commissions be more transparent. But I guaranty that a guy like Mike Goldberg is afraid to speak his mind....I can't see Goldberg going to the head of the commission and question him directly on why a certain judge scored a fight the way he did live on the air at a PPV event. (again like Teddy Atlas)

I really like that Joe Rogan isn't too afraid of that shit. Like last night instantly try and figure out the greasing controversy.

Around the time of the Abu Dabi UFC, I remember reading that some commissions review fights with judges and get feedback on their work. I think more judges need to be publicly outed and maybe made an example of.

As an example, if I see Jon Schorle poorly ref a fight, I want the commission (who are created for the public) come out and say that, and explain what they think his problems are and what he needs to improve upon. He should more down in rank, and not be able to move back up until his next review...maybe like 3-6 months later. Not do everything behind closed doors....if anything is done at all.

If will take more poorly judged or reffed MMA fights in order for this to happen.....but every week, I see at least one poorly reffed or judged MMA event, but I have noticed it's getting better and better.


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I couldn't agree more. I'm sick of spending money on PPV's to see only a handfull fights. Showing the undercard would also be great exposure for all the lesser known fighters. I'm all for it.
Agreed. I like DREAM and Sengoku events because I get to see 10+ fights.
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-Comissions that know what they are doing.

-The lack of organized training for refs.

-The lack of organized training for judges.

-The UFC choosing business strategies that benefit them in the short term but are bad for the long term (i.e. anytime they choose entertainment or the fans over the sport).

^^ What he said.

Also, I feel that some rules have to be amended or adjusted to have a clear definition to prevent referees from ruining fights with things like bad timeouts for things that shouldn't have them or extraordinarily horrible stand-ups from the ground action. There are plenty of things that could be changed in the rules.

A definite thing that should be changed is the 10 point must system.
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1. Shots on the ground after a guy is knocked out. Yes I understand that fighters have "adrenalin" rushes and can't always stop themselves, but many lineman in the NFL had to learn how to control their aggression after the "ruffing the passer and late hit" rules were put into affect by the NFL. MMA fighters are, or should be, some of the most disciplined athletes in the world. The late hits after the fact flys in the face of the claim that these guys are highly disciplined marshal artists. and it's the first thing idiot politicians point at, especially that ass clown in New York, when talking about why MMA should be banned.

2. Arbitrary ranking systems within organizations. Instead of going off of some kind of mathematical system, most orgs just choose who they think deserves a title shot. Look at Brett Rogers Vs Alister Overreem or Chael Sonnen vs Anderson Silva 2. Especially in the case of Sonnen vs Silva 2, we see the title of "#1 contender" become a meaningless concept. You beat the champ for 4 1/2 rounds and then the champ finishes you. Oh well that's life...you should have to fight at least 2 more times before another title shot IMO. I think Bellator has a more sports like approach to who challenges for their titles. I hope the idea catches on. It would make MMA more of a legit sport, than just a "sports entertainment".

3. Lack of Co-promotion. Yes I know the money argument concerning the UFC and co-promoting. They are more interested in building the brand and making fighters come to them to fight than actually proving that their fighters are better where it really matters. But the UFC has almost done TOO good of a job promoting themselves and now many uneducated media people and politicians, refer to MMA as "Ultimate Fighting". This annoys me to no end because it's an uphill battle to separate the UFC and MMA the sport. Once the media understands that their are different organizations and champions, then the masses may start to understand the depth of our sport. Personally I think a grand Tournament Style Tournament to determine the Universal MMA Champions should be held. That's a pipe dream, but it would go a long way IMO in making helping the Masses see MMA more as a sport rather than a sports like distraction from "real sports".

4. More MMA on network and primetime. Strikeforce has done a good job in that regard. But we need more. Bellator is doing good too, if we had a MMA equalivant to Friday Night Fights, then I think MMA would grow leaps and bounds into the mainstream.


These are just opinions of course, I welcome all other thoughts on things that MMA as a sport should change in order to become more mainstream.
i dont think the lack of co promotion is a problem at all i dont really even like the idea but you mentioned that the ufc promotes itself so well that mma is referred to as ultimate fighting. i think that damages the sport because 'ultimate fighting' sounds much more savage than 'mixed martial arts'.

also i agree with more primetime in a sense but totally disagree that strikeforce is doing a job. they are actually doing a terrible job by not knowing how to hype and having shitty production making people think 'what the fuck is this crap' and turning networks off by getting lower and lower ratings.
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i dont think the lack of co promotion is a problem at all i dont really even like the idea but you mentioned that the ufc promotes itself so well that mma is referred to as ultimate fighting. i think that damages the sport because 'ultimate fighting' sounds much more savage than 'mixed martial arts'.

also i agree with more primetime in a sense but totally disagree that strikeforce is doing a job. they are actually doing a terrible job by not knowing how to hype and having shitty production making people think 'what the fuck is this crap' and turning networks off by getting lower and lower ratings.
Well hey they gotta start somewhere right? UFC didn't always have a slick production. Then again Bellator came on pretty strong from the jump, still I think Strikeforce is an important milestone in MMA. And hopefully more orgs will be able to get network deals.

Now in terms of co-promotion. Making MMA more of a sport may need to follow more of the model of making orgs "teams" rather than separate entities like the wwf and wcw were in pro wrestling. In Boxing when two fighters need to prove who's the best, their promoters work out a deal and make the fight happen (in most cases), What makes the NFL special? The Super Bowl. All the best teams compete until two are left. That's how most sports work actually. Finding out who the best fighters in the world are in a tournament style event or series or events could drum up the same kind of excitement and interest for MMA. Wouldn't be good for the UFC as a brand, but sometimes what's good for the sport isn't always going to be good for the UFC brand.
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I agree with the more fights in ppv. If not I like what Spike's doing and showing them on there (although they should show more of them).

Now this may sound messed but they need another GSP. What I mean is another marketable fighter who doesn't come off like a loud mouth moron or some guy who's just looks like a he came out of a barroom brawl. I hope this is making some sense.
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I like this thread and am not bashing at all, just some input with 1 and 2.

1. Yes it is a shame sometimes when guy's hit opponents late, but we have seen some guy's get up and win the fight after taking some ridiculous shots. We have seen it over and over again, you can watch a bunch if Nog's fights, or Saku's and they were 90% out of it and ended up coming back in the fight. We see it all the time, and when you hurt a guy you want to finish him and leave no doubt that he is done. When you're fighting the best in the world you wanna make sure you win the fight and make damn sure of it. I admit sometimes they can see they are completely out but watch some Saku fights and you'll be amazed.

2. Rankings cannot accurately be done. They would have to make an exact system of how people are ranked(ie:finishes, good performance, bad stoppage win/loss, etc). It would never be accurate anyways because first of all everyone has different opinions and a big org like UFC's rankings couldn't be accurate because if Maia wins a couple more lets say and he is the #1 contender clearly, the UFC won't put him there on that list as #1 because that would mean he is getting the title shot for sure, and if anderson was still champion, Maia is never getting another shot at him for the belt..
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I agree with the more fights in ppv. If not I like what Spike's doing and showing them on there (although they should show more of them).

Now this may sound messed but they need another GSP. What I mean is another marketable fighter who doesn't come off like a loud mouth moron or some guy who's just looks like a he came out of a barroom brawl. I hope this is making some sense.
If Frankie Edgar had a personality or if he was able to string together some eloquent words without saying any New Jersey-isms, then he might fit that mould.

There are some retired fighters who fit in that mould, like a Pat Millitech...but it's true. There are intelligent guys, but most have made comments that make them come off like douches.

Kenny K-Flo might fit in that mould, except that he doesn't have the type of record like GSP does. If K-Flo didn't lose, I am sure he would be the UFC poster boy. Because a fighters life in the UFC can be so short, they don't want to waste any money on trying to showcase the well mannered guys.

I bet the UFC feel they lost a ton of money on a guy like Houston Alexander. They got him a deal with LUGZ...he did a couple ads, lost a couple fights in the UFC and gets cut. But he is still a very down to earth, nice guy, runs a youth program helping get kids off the street and into the gym. He is a pillar of his community and the type of guy that they should showcase in MMA, but it's not good for our 24 hour news cycle where we always want to hear fighters say crazy stuff, hype fights and act a fool.
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i have a weird feeling that someone at strikeforce or dream put this thread up. it's not like in boxing guys don't avoid fighting each other and thats a copermotion.
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