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[TheKidInside]

Originally Posted by Frasedog

Brock - Overeem
Cain - Fedor
JDS - Werdum
Mir - Rogers
Nog - Silva
Cro Cop- Arlovski



If youre compare the two top orgs, top HW's I gotta say it's pretty much a push. I'm sure the long awaited matchup with Fedor played a big part, but there are other great matchups as well. The only guy on that list that I think is really overrated is Rogers.

If Mir KOs Nog again would you say that at this junction Nog is no longer relevant also?

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

I always compare Barnett to a slutty, smoking hot blonde who's totally worthy of a romp, if only you weren't totally terrified of catching something from her since she's known for that type of thing. I think he never considered the UFC because of the simple fact that they wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

The pinnacle for a HW fighter has gotta be the guy who beats Brock and holds the UFC title now that Fedor's no long undefeated and considering the focus and popularity ZUFFA places on the bigman division....

[rodzilla1988]

I see what you are saying but I still don't agree that UFC HW's haven't been tested. To me "tested" is proving you can win while in a bad position or disadvantage in a fight, in which I believe both Cain and Brock have. Now as in quality of opponents I completely agree and that's not because they won't it's because they haven't had a chance. While I do see your point somewhat your not even recognizing what I'm saying and that is that just because SOME of the SF HW's (Not including Barnett) are more experienced than the UFC's HW's does not mean they automatically better fighters. So to distinguish it as that is a very hard thing to do, at least for me.

[rivethead]

To put it another way, MLB rookie Stephen Strasburg has been tested, because he's won a couple games, but I'm not ready to elect him into the Hall of Fame.

rh

[rodzilla1988]

I get your analogy but the HOF ruins it because that's not really what's trying to be justified here. Just the fact even those some of these guys are less experienced it is still a very real possibility that these younger guys are as good, if not better. In no way does having more fights mean your a better fighter, all it means is ,lol, you have more fights.

[BBG]

Originally Posted by kickass32

Wasn't Barnett, not to long ago trying to beat down Dana's door to come back to the UFC?

Let me interpret what really happened and should have been reported. Its really only a few words so everyone pay attention.

Dana: So you want to come back huh?
Josh: Was hoping to..

Dana: So do you think that the we can pass you thru a commissions drug test?
Josh: Well who do I have to fight?

Dana: Well you said you want to fight for the title...
Josh: How the hell am I going to beat JDS, Cain, Carwin, Nelson and LESNAR AND Piss clean??? Fuck it I'll go to Strikefarce.



Strikefarce has Fedor and what looks to be one smart and lucky SOB in Werdum. Yup definitely a much more stacked and athletic HW division....

[nezlam1]

Originally Posted by BBG

Let me interpret what really happened and should have been reported. Its really only a few words so everyone pay attention.

Dana: So you want to come back huh?
Josh: Was hoping to..

Dana: So do you think that the we can pass you thru a commissions drug test?
Josh: Well who do I have to fight?

Dana: Well you said you want to fight for the title...
Josh: How the hell am I going to beat JDS, Cain, Carwin, Nelson and LESNAR AND Piss clean??? Fuck it I'll go to Strikefarce.



Strikefarce has Fedor and what looks to be one smart and lucky SOB in Werdum. Yup definitely a much more stacked and athletic HW division....

SF HW's

AO
Fedor
Barnett
Werdum
BigFoot
AA
Rogers
Cormier
Del Rosario

Looks like a good division to me, add Monson and Duffee and it's really good.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by rodzilla1988

I get your analogy but the HOF ruins it because that's not really what's trying to be justified here. Just the fact even those some of these guys are less experienced it is still a very real possibility that these younger guys are as good, if not better. In no way does having more fights mean your a better fighter, all it means is ,lol, you have more fights.

Ah...but [as I stated right away] Barnett never said the SF HW's are better. He said they're more established, and that he'd be comfortable putting the top 4 SF guys against the top 4 UFC guys any time. That's actually pretty accurate. That's not even as biased as when you said lesnar beats Barnett 8 out of 10 times--something I absolutely disagree with, by the way.

You're willing to say the UFC is better--but without any empirical status to back you up. Josh is saying they're comparable in skill--and I believe him--but that experience is on the SF guy's side. And he's right. Do you think if lesnar had experience, he would have lost that first fight to Mir? Do you think if Carwin had experience going beyond one round, or fighting for the title, he would have lost to lesnar?

Originally Posted by BBG

Strikefarce has Fedor and what looks to be one smart and lucky SOB in Werdum. Yup definitely a much more stacked and athletic HW division....

If you're dismissing Werdum as simply smart and lucky, you're even more clueless than I've always suspected. Right now, without question, Werdum has the best BJJ at HW on the planet. The only guy who can come close is Roger Gracie...and he's fighting for Strikeforce--although he's probably going to cut to LHW.

rh

[Frasedog]

Originally Posted by TheKidInside

If Mir KOs Nog again would you say that at this junction Nog is no longer relevant also?

I didnt say any of the fighters are or arent relevent. I was just listing the top guys in the orgs imo for comparison. But as far as the title picture goes, yes Nog would be bumped back and Mir would be a solid 3rd or 4th in the division. But that isnt what I was really commenting on.

I will say that the UFC is a little deeper than Strikeforce with guys like Nelson, Gonzaga, Hunt, and others rounding out the division. For whatever thats worth.

[BBG]

Originally Posted by rivethead

If you're dismissing Werdum as simply smart and lucky, you're even more clueless than I've always suspected. Right now, without question, Werdum has the best BJJ at HW on the planet. The only guy who can come close is Roger Gracie...and he's fighting for Strikeforce--although he's probably going to cut to LHW.

rh

And here I gave you too much credit this whole time. Your assuming I am dismissing Werdum. My post was factual, in the sense that I clearly named the two top guys that Strikefarce has at HW. I mentioned SMART first, for Werdum, because he stuck to his base and didnt try to outpoint Fedor like everyone else has tried to lately. Secondly, I mention lucky SOB, because the gamble and attempt to lure Fedor to the ground with him worked. IMO a bit lucky that it worked. Simply because the odds of him winning in any other fashion were almost non existent. That doesnt take away from his BJJ at ALL!. In fact its what ended the match.