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Old 09-18-2010, 02:53 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I for some reason keep thinking this will be a 3 round fight
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Everybody remember how flawless this all turned out for BJ? Now, let's take away the stunning jits and pristine striking and may I introduce to you all, Kosh Joshceck. St. Pierre is a technical wizard and my confidence in his purfermanz is second to none. His dominance vs. foes is only rivaled by the old days with Frank Shamrock and even then, I'm still more appreciative of what GSP brings to the table due to the heightened level of competition.

Koscheck is too arrogant and unrefined to cope with GSP and hasn't changed his game enough to really push what St. Pierre will offer.
Well sure, we can take away the stunning jits and pristine striking, but instead let's add in world-class wrestling, a higher level of athleticism, a longer reach and bigger size (all compared to BJ that is, before someone accidentally compares it to GSP). Koscheck brings a completely different skillset to the table than BJ.

I don't think arrogance has anything to do with coping with GSP as Koscheck is still respecting GSP's skills to work his ass off and I would not call Koscheck unrefined. He is pretty well-rounded, considering in his last 3 fights, he outwrestled Paul Daley to win, sub'd rumble, and ko'ed Trigg.

I do agree that I don't think he change his game enough to really push what GSP will offer but one of the biggest differences will be in Kos' preparation of wrestling, both offensive and defensive, which will be an intriguing element to the rematch... will GSP be able to take Kos down this time, and can he stop Kos' takedowns this time.
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Well sure, we can take away the stunning jits and pristine striking, but instead let's add in world-class wrestling, a higher level of athleticism, a longer reach and bigger size (all compared to BJ that is, before someone accidentally compares it to GSP). Koscheck brings a completely different skillset to the table than BJ.

I don't think arrogance has anything to do with coping with GSP as Koscheck is still respecting GSP's skills to work his ass off and I would not call Koscheck unrefined. He is pretty well-rounded, considering in his last 3 fights, he outwrestled Paul Daley to win, sub'd rumble, and ko'ed Trigg.

I do agree that I don't think he change his game enough to really push what GSP will offer but one of the biggest differences will be in Kos' preparation of wrestling, both offensive and defensive, which will be an intriguing element to the rematch... will GSP be able to take Kos down this time, and can he stop Kos' takedowns this time.
True, but where I'm coming from is that the two true X-factors that BJ had going into that fight that he had an "EDGE" up on GSP was stunning jits and potentially striking and Kos has neither of those. Sure, Kos has more athleticism and wrestling than BJ, but IMO, GSP's is better than Kos's which means that he doesn't have a real ace in the hole where he's substantially superior to GSP, unlike Penn was in jits and striking. That's where I was going there.

Also, I don't think Kos is one dimensional per se, but I do not whatsoever consider Koscheck to be wellrounded just because he outwrestled/velcro'd himself to a guy who cannot whatsoever avoid the takedown(Daley), KO'd somebody in Trigg who always looks better on paper and outstruck Rumble, who's standup while powerful can be called anything but pristine. Kos is really good, but he's never beaten anybody near the current GSP fighter and I think ESPECIALLY in striking, Kos will be outpointed and humbled.
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It'll be an interesting fight because if Kos can take GSP down and keep him there, avoiding being sub'd, there is always a possibility of a lay-and-pray decision for Kos. However, to have enough control over GSP for 5 rounds, without getting caught seems very unlikely.
GSP has not sub'ed any one in the last 3 years and only has 2 Submission win's in the UFC .
Josh has only been sub'ed one time in 19 fights

But I guess it could be time .
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GSP has not sub'ed any one in the last 3 years and only has 2 Submission win's in the UFC .
Josh has only been sub'ed one time in 19 fights

But I guess it could be time .
You're right in that GSP is particularly dangerous with his submissions, I mean we saw in the Hardy fight that he couldnt sink anything in (although it's unclear whether that was because of a weakness in GSP's submission game, or a testament to Hardy's heart), but with GSP being as well-rounded as he is, you never know what he'll pull out.

I'd love for Josh to win this fight, if he can 'impose his will' and hold GSP down, and work him over, and take away the explosive aspect of GSP's game, he could definitely pull it out of the bag.
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i hope KOS KTFO of GSP
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kos is a damn good fighter with some power in his right hand. however to think he has any edge standing up is forgetting gsp pre serra ko.

gsp definately has the edge standing. while i think on paper kos is the better wrestler, the first fight showed us other wise. which, to me, was really a shock. i think kos will be able to push gsp to an extint. i just dont think kos has enough to get over the hump and actually finish gsp. i can see this fight going the distance, not do to lnp by either fighter but because the wrestling will ultimately cancel each other out. it should be a fast paced exciting fight, but at the end of the day i think gsp is just on another level than kos.
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I'm looking forward to this fight. After the Hughes Penn rubber match this is the fight I want to see most.
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