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[Qball1974]

Originally Posted by TNC

To me, the bigger issue is why do people refuse to keep Anderson @ #1 P4P? Outside of Fedor (who just lost, and of course can't be #1 because of it) there is no one even worthy to challenge Anderson for his title. NOBODY has been as dominant as long as he has outside of Fedor, people trying to put Aldo, GSP, Edgar and whoever ahead of Anderson are showing their bias against him.

I think its more of the level of competition he has faced then anything.

and Fedor is still #1 BTW.

[Pasha K]

I cant accept Anderson as the No. 1 P4p because of the quality of his performances, hust look how he was destroyed by Sonnen, even if he won by miracle, how can you have that guy as the No.1 p4p? Against Maia, Leites and Cote he looked horrible. He dominated but he could not finish.

And despite the loss Fedor for me is still No. 1 p4p. He has faced strong competition (some cans too but the majority of his opponents were strong fighters) and there are very few desicions in his record, he knows how to finish fights. He brings exciting matches, he comes to fight and finish the fight as soon as possible, he does not do that BS of LnP hoping to win by desicion.

For me No. 1 fighter P4p is Fedor, then GSP, then Aldo and only then Anderson.
Fucking Frankie Edgar as No. 2 P4p fighter??? Oh my, what is Dana smoking?

[MetalHead75]

You media geeks need to learn the fight biz,” White smugly stated. “I’m at dinner right now, but you’re really pissing me off.


I wonder what Dana was having for dinner? I'm guessing a big helping of Anderson's nuts.....

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Well, I think you're half right.

To keep things in perspective...in no way, no form is Edgar even close to being top 5 pound for pound. But, that being said, beating Penn for 5 rounds is a bigger accomplishment than finishing Mike Brown. I'm not going to bother including Gamburyan and Swanson in a list, as they're not top 10 FW's, regardless of how Zuffa wants to spin things. Yes, they were contenders for the belt, but no, they weren't top ranked FW's. Brown and Faber are the only top 10 FW's Jose has faced.

Fanboys and Pennhaters will blow Edgar's accomplishments waaaaay the hell out of proportion--he's got at least two decisions on his resume that I firmly believe he lost--but he's still not a chump. He's fighting guys that are bigger than him, and he's adapting as a fighter. If he gets past Gray convincingly, I'll rank him on the fringes of top 5, whether he finishes Maynard or not. Finishing fights doesn't necessarily mean shit for p4p, but winning them convincingly and overcoming size disadvantages via skill sets does, and Edgar has the potential to do exactly that.

But yeah...people are jumping on bandwagons without really seeing what they think they're looking at.

So yes...Edgar isn't close to 2--not even close to top 5, really--but Aldo hasn't been that much more impressive than he has, simply by beating up on guys like Cub and Manny.


Oh...and anyone who ever puts lesnar anywhere near top 10 has their head up their ass. Same for Fitch and Maynard...not only do all three use size advantages to overcome smaller foes, they're not even close to being well rounded or a threat anywhere but grappling...unless they have the afore-mentioned size advantage...and even then, you've got guys like Couture schooling lesnar grappling, and giving up 40-50lbs to do it.

rh

Manny might not technically be a top 10 featherweight, but thats partially because he lost some fights at LW before dropping down. I'd bet that he can beat alot of them, but still I don't see him ever breaking top 5 or anything...

Jose's fight with Urijah wasn't even close, and Urijah is an extremely accomplished FW. His only recent blemish before fighting Aldo was his fight against Brown, which imo Urijah proved to be better in the rematch. But Aldo dominated Brown too (as I'm sure you know).

yeah it would be awesome to see him fight Bibiano, but that prolly won't happen as you and I know.

I mean, he's destroyed 3 very good grapplers in his past 3 fights, he's shown very solid takedown defense. and when people try to pull guard they soon regret it when the found out how good his GNP is. What FW in the world can beat Aldo? I don't see anyone with near good enough striking to do it, and like I stated, 3 very solid grapplers couldn't do it. Yes Bibiano's grappling is better but would he really be able to bring the fight to the ground? and there's always Joe Warren but he totally lost that fight against Patricio Pitbull and I just think Aldo would destroy Warren.

..and Aldo never looks tired, he never looks worried, he is just a complete fighter imo...

and yes Frankie is very good but he just lost to Grey a few fights ago. and to me, finishing fights does factor in to p4p rankings. When you finish a fight, you leave no doubt whatsoever. When a fight goes to a decesion, there are so many "what ifs" that remain that it just isn't near as convincing alot of the time. Like Silva's wins over Dan Henderson, Nate Marquardt, and Rich Franklin are soo much more convincing to me than say, GSP's wins over Koscheck, Thiago, and Hardy...

[frogman]

lmao at douchebag white trying brainwashed again the casual fans
also dana doesnt give a fck lower weight classes
so his opinion is worthless piece of crap


imo jose aldo is rank 5 or 6 in p4p list along with sandro

[Y2JUBAE]

Originally Posted by fuzzrocks5285

i know anderson won his last fight but when was the last time you saw GSP dominated like that? from matt serra? plus what he's done since then has more than made up for it. GSP would destroy anderson like sonnen did with his wrestling & would probably sub him

Dude, when was the last time GSP fought with a cracked rib against a great fighter who may have been juiced up... and won!?!?!

Yea, Serra took GSP and yes, GSP beat him, but... has Anderson had ANY slips? He has not lost once in the UFC.

Also, Serra is not Chael. I don't see GSP handling Chael so well either. He isn't leaping up to Middle weight either. He is playing it safe as possible.

I'd put my money on Anderson knocking GSP out or subbing him. GSP has Serra to thank for his success because he has become such a safe fighter since that fight, that he wins everytime, even knocking the audience out into a deep sleep.

Not to say Anderson hasn't had some stinkers but Anderson apparently only brings whatever the other guy brings. If he fights a lame boring fighter who does nothing, he will sit and show off for 5 rounds, but that is much better for my money than someone laying and holding and waiting for the bell to ring.

I would love to see the OLD GSP, who took chances, before he got beat by Serra but i highly doubt that will ever happen.

[CtGreat]

People act like Silva's performances against cote/lites/mai are somehow a negative reflection of his ability and proven skill. HE DOMINATED all of those fighters, no he did not finish them, but they could not touch him at all. Silva literally danced all over Mia but chose not to engage with him after the 3rd round, he was so daunting to Lites that he actually took the opportunity to punch his thigh while standing, and cote couldnt touch him either (and he blew his acl before the 4th round, that injury wins freak injury of the decade for me). Outside of his match with sonnen who he fought with injured ribs, who in all likelihood juiced up (face it the facts all point against him), Silva has been utterly dominant and he still finished that fight like a champion should. Champions should be able to fight through adversity and come out on top, and thats exactly what silva did.

[STruC1x]

Fedor, Silva, GSP proven pfp, anyone else gotta fight a dozen times before I am convinced (although im no one to be convinced as i feel most of any fighters would dominate most people, but we are talking about the best pfp).

[GSPvsSILVA2012]

Dana knows that GSP wont like this

[YukonJordan]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

People act like Silva's performances against cote/lites/mai are somehow a negative reflection of his ability and proven skill. HE DOMINATED all of those fighters, no he did not finish them, but they could not touch him at all. Silva literally danced all over Mia but chose not to engage with him after the 3rd round, he was so daunting to Lites that he actually took the opportunity to punch his thigh while standing, and cote couldnt touch him either (and he blew his acl before the 4th round, that injury wins freak injury of the decade for me). Outside of his match with sonnen who he fought with injured ribs, who in all likelihood juiced up (face it the facts all point against him), Silva has been utterly dominant and he still finished that fight like a champion should. Champions should be able to fight through adversity and come out on top, and thats exactly what silva did.

People aren't ripping on Silva because he didn't dominate those guys. The criticism stems from the fact that he doesn't even try to finish anymore.