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[optimusjoel]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

People act like Machida's knockout over Evans is significant. Evans is a WRESTLER first and foremost. Machida knocked him out when he had some strange misconception in his head that he was some amazing striker after knocking out liddel. I honestly believe that if they were to fight again and Evans was to utilize his base like an intelligent fighter, then Evans will walk away with the majority decision by constant takedowns

I disagree, Machida's footwork is amazing. Rashad would be shooting at air.

[NLRepublic]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

People act like Machida's knockout over Evans is significant. Evans is a WRESTLER first and foremost. Machida knocked him out when he had some strange misconception in his head that he was some amazing striker after knocking out liddel. I honestly believe that if they were to fight again and Evans was to utilize his base like an intelligent fighter, then Evans will walk away with the majority decision by constant takedowns

I don't buy that Rashad can chase Lyoto down for 15 or 25 mins and keep enough energy to win 3 + rounds on takedowns and control. Machida is not the wrestler Rashad is by any means, but he has a crazy good clinch and grappling game that simply isn't talked about because of his outstanding striking. Not to mention that whatever advantage Rashad does have in the wrestling can likely be nullified by Machida's foot work.

Rashad definitely can take Lyoto down, but not as many times, or long enough to win a decision. Machida is light years more elusive and hard to track down that Rashad's last two opponents in Rampage and Thiago, and Rashad looked pretty weak in both of those 3rd rounds.

[Masscore]

Did I miss something? When was this "Machida era?" Are they talking about his one title "defense?" You know that fight were Shogun out struck him 2-1 over 5 rounds. Or are they talking about the time he got KTFO by Shogun?

Sorry, Machida's style is a gimmick and will work against only certain fighters. He may beat Rampage but I would do not see him ever wearing the belt again and I would not be shocked to see Rampage KO him as well.

[b1uef1ow]

Originally Posted by Masscore

Did I miss something? When was this "Machida era?" Are they talking about his one title "defense?" You know that fight were Shogun out struck him 2-1 over 5 rounds. Or are they talking about the time he got KTFO by Shogun?

I'd pretty much call his undefeated run his era.

Sorry, Machida's style is a gimmick and will work against only certain fighters. He may beat Rampage but I would do not see him ever wearing the belt again and I would not be shocked to see Rampage KO him as well.

This is a bit premature isn't it? Shogun caught him good with that one strike where he was doing really well up until and you're ready to write him off?

Everyone knows that Rampage has serious KO power so why would anyone be surprised?

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by b1uef1ow

I'd pretty much call his undefeated run his era.



This is a bit premature isn't it? Shogun caught him good with that one strike where he was doing really well up until and you're ready to write him off?

Everyone knows that Rampage has serious KO power so why would anyone be surprised?

No thats not an era IMO. To call something an era would be for long term champions. Ie The GSP or Anderson Silva Era, you know guys that actually defened their belts a few times. To say the Machida Era when he wasn't champion makes no sense. There were four different champions during this "era" that weren't him.

And its a complete gimmick, that doesn't mean its a bad thing. The Wildcat is a gimmick and the Trap is a gimmick that work until you run into someone that has figured it out. Shogun figured out Machida's gimmick and it will be interesting to see if he sticks with it.

[b1uef1ow]

Originally Posted by Masscore

No thats not an era IMO. To call something an era would be for long term champions. Ie The GSP or Anderson Silva Era, you know guys that actually defened their belts a few times. To say the Machida Era when he wasn't champion makes no sense. There were four different champions during this "era" that weren't him.

Champ era then yes I agree with you.

And its a complete gimmick, that doesn't mean its a bad thing. The Wildcat is a gimmick and the Trap is a gimmick that work until you run into someone that has figured it out. Shogun figured out Machida's gimmick and it will be interesting to see if he sticks with it.

They guy pretty well rounded intelligent Martial Artists who's lost exactly once, I highly doubt he'd fight the same. Shogun got in 1 good punch he threw at the exact same time as Lyoto, Lyoto missed and Shogun didn't. He didn't figure out shit the second match up.

[dbader08]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Machida become champ again.

Shogun is a damn talented fighter but there are so many good fighters and all it takes is 1 bad training camp and or 1 bad fight for a champion to lose his belt...and everybody knows that styles make fights, so you really can't tell what the future holds.

I think Shogun would take Machida again, but Machida would definitely have a shot...but honestly I think Shogun and Machida are 1 and 2 in the division and I think it will be like that for another two years or so. There are alot of good wrestlers in the division but Shogun has a damn good ground game off of his back and Machida has very good TDD. I know Bones has good striking and very good wrestling but I think at this point Machida and Shogun would still take him convincingly.

[apardo]

Originally Posted by b1uef1ow

Champ era then yes I agree with you.



They guy pretty well rounded intelligent Martial Artists who's lost exactly once, I highly doubt he'd fight the same. Shogun got in 1 good punch he threw at the exact same time as Lyoto, Lyoto missed and Shogun didn't. He didn't figure out shit the second match up.

Agreed on both accounts here. I dont know how people tend to forget that the man has 1 LOSS, he went undefeated for a heck of a long time, broke the undefeated record of 2 people, whom he KTFO, one was the man that said would be too aggressive for him, the other was the current champion. Did I imagine all this?

Its as stupid as when Thiago Silva was the underdog against Keith Jardine (in betting odds at least) just because he lost to a person who was still undefeated at that time. When jardine has lost to just about anyone.

Did we all forget Shogun lost to Griffin? oh no yeah he did but it was cause he was just out of surgery, BS Brock went through a life and career threatening disease came back and defended his belt.

Kudos to Shogun he is a fantastic fighter, I also think every fighter has their Kryptonite, their Joker and maybe Shogun is Lyoto's maybe he isnt, all in all, their rubber match is gonna be one heck of a fight.

Shogun will def Rashad, and Lyoto will def Rapmage. then will come the rubber match, or maybe ram vs lyo will face winner of jones vs bader.

This weight division is extremely exciting!

[v3xi]

When Joe Rogan said "the Machida era" when he won the belt it is like he created 100,000 fanboys in one second.

I was one of the few people on the forums telling everyone to relax and wait until he fights better strikers and I always got jumped on and neg rep'd by idiots. That being said Machida is still the solid #2 in the division and his only weakness seems to be elite level strikers. (that means kicks and punches not just punches, sorry Page)

[dbader08]

Originally Posted by apardo

Agreed on both accounts here. I dont know how people tend to forget that the man has 1 LOSS, he went undefeated for a heck of a long time, broke the undefeated record of 2 people, whom he KTFO, one was the man that said would be too aggressive for him, the other was the current champion. Did I imagine all this?

Its as stupid as when Thiago Silva was the underdog against Keith Jardine (in betting odds at least) just because he lost to a person who was still undefeated at that time. When jardine has lost to just about anyone.

Did we all forget Shogun lost to Griffin? oh no yeah he did but it was cause he was just out of surgery, BS Brock went through a life and career threatening disease came back and defended his belt.

Kudos to Shogun he is a fantastic fighter, I also think every fighter has their Kryptonite, their Joker and maybe Shogun is Lyoto's maybe he isnt, all in all, their rubber match is gonna be one heck of a fight.

Shogun will def Rashad, and Lyoto will def Rapmage. then will come the rubber match, or maybe ram vs lyo will face winner of jones vs bader.

This weight division is extremely exciting!

well see shogun had multiple knee surgeries that each took several months to heal. It's pretty devastating for a fighter not to be able to run or do that much cardio and to have to stay so stationary. Either way, he was definitely sluggish in the Forrest fight, maybe he could have pushed himself harder in training, who knows...but he's definitely in better shape now.